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New dev blog: Team Security - Now with 100% more Anti-RMT

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CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#61 - 2012-04-03 18:29:01 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
We are not a part of your metagame and this has nothing to do with who does or doesn't like who or what alliance they're in. We deal with what we have evidence of not whatever site on the internet may make allegations.

I dont care about RA or metagaming.
I only care because one known member directly said in public - "I sold ISK from alliance wallet to pay my debt for my car".
There is no evidence for CCP, but there enough evidence for rest of the community, including RA members.
We see that ISK seller still play this game and nothing happens.That's pretty much describes the whole anti-RMT system.


No that describes your perspective based on something you feel you've observed. I don't get to deal in perspectives of observation I deal with actual activity. If you have evidence of wrongdoing email it to me at security@ccpgames.com and if something's really going on I'll handle it.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Letrange
Chaosstorm Corporation
#62 - 2012-04-03 18:29:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Letrange
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Iniquita wrote:
I support this product and/or service.

Though I know that some people are willing just to biomass the character who got the negative wallet and none of their other characters or assets (whom obviously benefited from this illicit activity) remain untouched. Hopefully in the future you will look more closely at people who purchase rmt'd isk because it seems all you need to be willing to do is biomass the character who took the initial wallet it and the person can keep any ill gotten assets they have purchased.

Im not going to name specifics here but I know of at least one person who has been extremely unrepentant. His wallet got hit pretty hard but he had purchased made contract purchases and was able to retain his assets. Another person simply biomassed the character with a negative wallet and plans to purchase a new character from the bazaar.

It seems a bit of an oversight that people can simply purchase isk, buy assets and pass on assets via contracts to alts to avoid the impact of what you are trying to do. Or simply biomass characters with a negative wallet and go on to purchase new characters. Maybe you should consider adding a fee to biomassing or something.


We're trying not to be too elaborate right now but we've already had situations where we've just gone ahead and moved the negative balance to a main.


+1 Internets for you Sir! (edit - and your team - can't forget you've got a team even if you're the dev blog point man)
gfldex
#63 - 2012-04-03 18:29:29 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
"Neither RMT nor bot-related activity have any place in New Eden any longer"


The wording is correct. For years the GMs didn't really do anything about botting/macros or cheating in general as long as you didn't earn more ISK then the average semi-noob. Even for exploits only the top offenders where bannz0rd in many cases.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Li Charen-Teng
#64 - 2012-04-03 18:30:07 UTC
Unexpected 0.0 alliances purges!

Checking EVE GATE every few minutes...
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#65 - 2012-04-03 18:31:50 UTC
Avila Cracko wrote:
No false positives... **** yea... Big smile
So the richest Goon is banned too Big smile

http://soundcloud.com/user8371571/vandvpodcast-mitanniinterview
listen from 19:00.

And its not false positive. Big smile


He got unbanned. Sorry to rain on your parade.

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fofofo
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#66 - 2012-04-03 18:31:51 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Buying and selling ISK is bad m´kay. And CCP Sreegs is here to tell you what Team Security is doing about it.

Read the blog here and let us know if you have feedback or questions for us.




Burn them all.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#67 - 2012-04-03 18:32:36 UTC
Burn nullsec RMT/BOTTER ALLIANCES.


BURN!
Remulon McNab
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-04-03 18:34:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Remulon McNab
I am curious if you guys (CCP) could make a dynamic counter thing that shows information on how many bans have been served and how much isk has been sinked.

so we're able to follow this info "semi-realtime"

at the other hand Sreegs well done (with the anti-RMT+BOT) and we definately sleep better at night. (Did you get Roc Wieler as personal coach Big smile)

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In response to your DEV blog Sreegs (from one of my associates):
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#69 - 2012-04-03 18:34:34 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Iniquita wrote:
I support this product and/or service.

Though I know that some people are willing just to biomass the character who got the negative wallet and none of their other characters or assets (whom obviously benefited from this illicit activity) remain untouched. Hopefully in the future you will look more closely at people who purchase rmt'd isk because it seems all you need to be willing to do is biomass the character who took the initial wallet it and the person can keep any ill gotten assets they have purchased.

Im not going to name specifics here but I know of at least one person who has been extremely unrepentant. His wallet got hit pretty hard but he had purchased made contract purchases and was able to retain his assets. Another person simply biomassed the character with a negative wallet and plans to purchase a new character from the bazaar.

It seems a bit of an oversight that people can simply purchase isk, buy assets and pass on assets via contracts to alts to avoid the impact of what you are trying to do. Or simply biomass characters with a negative wallet and go on to purchase new characters. Maybe you should consider adding a fee to biomassing or something.


We're trying not to be too elaborate right now but we've already had situations where we've just gone ahead and moved the negative balance to a main.




♥HUGS♥


That's some good god damb burning. KEEP BURNING.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#70 - 2012-04-03 18:35:03 UTC
Ruthless Erection wrote:
I hope CCP realizes that by banning the bots, their going to massively alter the in-game market. From what information they've released, about 75% of the current items on the market is bot produced, what happens when that 75% turns to 0?
The market adjusts itself; industrialists flood in to fill the demand; everyone wins.

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Quit bending over backwards for your players. Enough is Enough.
Oh, I see. A troll. Lol
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#71 - 2012-04-03 18:35:21 UTC  |  Edited by: MadMuppet
Youtube link in the devblog is still borked. The http:// gets inserted twice. If you removed both of them (in Chrome at least) so that it starts www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG13u9KKtzE&feature=plcp&context=C48af305VDvjVQa1PpcFOEzQi5G2x0m06rDf4gwZpUCqNO2vQ4zyo%3D]... then it works.

Also, way cool on this happening. I might seriously consider bring back a couple accounts if the effects are noticeable.

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Shang Fei
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2012-04-03 18:36:00 UTC
RMT and botting has nothing to do in this masterpiece of a game, I do believe EVE is quickly becoming a brighter place now that alot of alliances won't be able to bot or RMT to win as much anymore. Gives me a warm feeling in my heart.

<3 Sreegs ur doing a great job along with your team.
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#73 - 2012-04-03 18:36:02 UTC
Ruthless Erection wrote:


I hope CCP realizes that by banning the bots, their going to massively alter the in-game market. From what information they've released, about 75% of the current items on the market is bot produced, what happens when that 75% turns to 0?.


means players themselfs will pick up the slack, hell mineral prices are going up all time atm, which is making it worthwhile for the actual miners in game to go mining, knock on effect of is higher costs for a lot of other things, think it's fun to gank something that cant fight back in highsec like hulks, might cause people to reconsider when their destroyers nevermind anything else costs them an arm and a leg. atm sooner or later market prices will stabalize again, be interesting to see what things do stablise at price wise lol.



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CCP's already fubar'd. My account was banned for "RMTing", I sold a motherf***ing character, using the forums, and they said I sold it for real life cash. That's 50mill SP toon I'm not getting back, nor the 8billion it was sold for.


which case pertition it, if you sold the char through the char bazzar then to my knowlage this shouldn't have happened, find the thread you posted into the char bazar and link it in the pertition, fact your able to post on the forums says you have a full account thats active.


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I hope this current "War on Bots" turns around and bites them in the ass. It'll be a well-deserved kick in the butt for the failure of not looking more than 2 ft in front of them.


If players cba putting the effort in, in the first place why should they profit from it? if anything actions against botting and RMT in eve is LONG OVERDUE.
Rivur'Tam
the united
#74 - 2012-04-03 18:38:22 UTC
whats this grass for plex thing if you know someone who is doing rmt u report than and get a plex ???

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CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#75 - 2012-04-03 18:39:09 UTC
Remulon McNab wrote:
I am curious if you guys (CCP) could make a dynamic counter thing that shows information on how many bans have been served and how much isk has been sinked.

so we're able to follow this info "semi-realtime"

at the other hand Sreegs well done (with the anti-RMT+BOT) and we definately sleep better at night. (Did you get Roc Wieler as personal coach Big smile)



Not sure we'd be too comfortable with something automated but we will be giving more detailed numbers.

I'm going to the gym with GM Moxie, CCP Soundwave and CCP Mindstar. We're doing something called the Ultimate Anime Workout and Soundwave guarantees it's going to make me go supersaiyan.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#76 - 2012-04-03 18:39:15 UTC
Ruthless Erection wrote:
InVictus Kell wrote:
From the dev post:

" Buy PLEX, don't be a space butt "






nice, reads like a good 'ol fashion political slogan or old war bond ad from WWII.


Typical CCP.


I hope CCP realizes that by banning the bots, their going to massively alter the in-game market. From what information they've released, about 75% of the current items on the market is bot produced, what happens when that 75% turns to 0?


Then a number of profession which have been effectively abandoned by human players once again become viable, and there are more things to do.

Meanwhile the rest of the community adjusts and re-optimises their doctrines and tactics based on the new, true values of ships and modules.

That all seems pretty good to me.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#77 - 2012-04-03 18:40:38 UTC
Rivur'Tam wrote:
whats this grass for plex thing if you know someone who is doing rmt u report than and get a plex ???


It's a bit more complicated than that but if it leads to something big then yes.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Zirise
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2012-04-03 18:41:49 UTC
I don't know what the PLEX for Snitches entails, but here's what comes to mind:

1. Buy ISK from some chinese site, have it sent to someone you don't like.
2. 'Snitch' on him.
3. Get a cheap PLEX and your enemy temp banned.

Hopefully you guys have thought of this.
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#79 - 2012-04-03 18:42:51 UTC
Zirise wrote:
I don't know what the PLEX for Snitches entails, but here's what comes to mind:

1. Buy ISK from some chinese site, have it sent to someone you don't like.
2. 'Snitch' on him.
3. Get a cheap PLEX and your enemy temp banned.

Hopefully you guys have thought of this.


I'm not an idiot. (I hope)

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Ren Oren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2012-04-03 18:45:15 UTC
WELL DONE CCP

This is excellent.. not really the RMT, but making the player base understand and respect the fact that you are the bosses and not the guys with the internet spaceships.

You've used the Mittani and PL situations beautifully to come out smelling like roses