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Kind of confused at how some corps handle being war dec'd
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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#21 - 2012-04-03 17:21:57 UTC
I would pay your ransom if you war decced my corp.
Dead Loss
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-04-03 17:28:01 UTC
Alexandra Delarge wrote:
I would pay your ransom if you war decced my corp.


Feels good bro.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#23 - 2012-04-03 18:33:01 UTC
Dead Loss wrote:
Alexandra Delarge wrote:
I would pay your ransom if you war decced my corp.


Feels good bro.


It's a trap!
Dead Loss
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-04-03 19:08:47 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Dead Loss wrote:
Alexandra Delarge wrote:
I would pay your ransom if you war decced my corp.


Feels good bro.


It's a trap!


Oh noes !!!
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#25 - 2012-04-03 20:15:47 UTC
My Corp never gets decced, what are we doing wrong?

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Farley genocent
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-04-03 20:25:02 UTC
As mentioned, I think this is the reason they may not be taking you seriously.

That or dec shield incoming.

Before trying to ransom them, follow through on some of those decs and get some kills on the boards. Once they start feeling the pinch they may be more willing to negotiate, if not at least you improve your kb.
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#27 - 2012-04-03 20:38:07 UTC  |  Edited by: lanyaie
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TunkTunkAlt Kautsuo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-04-04 08:55:41 UTC
This is a pretty ignorent post?
You assume you are a amazing pirate?

Watching someone means nothing, when the war starts don't be surprised if they don't undock in awesome ships and kick your sorry ass back to low sec or wherever your from.
Very few toons don't have pvp skills, they will blob you to death.

If not they can turtle.

I highly doubt you will get over 1b in kills.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#29 - 2012-04-19 04:14:59 UTC
Dead Loss wrote:
Our little pirate corp recently war dec'd 6 industrial corps.

The idea being that we want to ask them for a generous donation to our corporate fund in exchange for letting them mine happily.

Now, each of these corps have about 20 to 40 members. We have been observing all of them for a while, they have little tonp pvp capabilities except for a few guys who maybe do lvl 4 missions so they might have a small capacity at firepower.

They mine ice for the most of them. They go around in small fleets or Orca + Hulks/Mackinaws.

They are absolutely careless, some of them usually hang around the dock of the station for whole minutes in gangs of exhumers (except they hand around at 5-6 km from docking range, not at 0).

Now, we sent each of them a 24 hour notice, explaining that if we received a donation of 500 mil, we would not implement the war dec which was voted on and only waiting to be implemented.

After 48 hours no response, but they have not modified (not a single of the corps) their way of doing things. Now the war dec has been launched and will enter into full force in less than 8 hours.

They will loose billions in hulks, orcas, etc. And as far as I can see, they have made no contact with merc corps as we have not been wardecced and their members have not increased.

So why would you not pay in such case ? Why would you assume that you are safe keeping on doing what you do carelessly ? I don't understand the concept ... knowing that you will loose much more than the 500 million isk donation we request.

Does anyone have opinions on this ? Experience maybe and explanations as to why they do this ?


Why would they pay? There is no reason for them to give you any isk. They can just swap corps for a week and keep mining.

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Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-04-19 04:41:51 UTC
My god.

You really need to get some more experience and better kills on your KB before you go around trying to extort what you think are helpless corps.

What is important to understand is that Industrial / PvE type corporations get war declarations ALL THE FRIGGIN TIME. I mean seriously, a lot. Most of the time it's by small wannabe pirate corps that think that just because a corporation focuses on industry or missions means that they cannot defend themselves.

Really, the only reason to dec an industrial corp is to pad your killboard, not to extort cash.

A word of caution, the last time my corporation was war dec'd by some pirates, they lost about 15 ships the first day trying to gank our mission runners. I guess they never assumed that "carebear" corps knew how to fit a warp scrambler on their 800 dps mission ship.
Garven Dreis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-04-19 07:28:44 UTC
Five Thirty wrote:
I guess they never assumed that "carebear" corps knew how to fit a warp scrambler on their 800 dps mission ship.


And then you risk falling into the classic "trap" scenario where endless wave of Flashy Reds appear on grid after you aggress "lone pirate scum" on gate. And then you've got to hope that you can deaggress and rack off or they are firing the damage you are tanked for.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-04-19 07:56:14 UTC
Theyre miners, theyll all just drop corp as soon as the dec starts since a miner has no real need to be in a player corp and continue doing what they do.

Deccing mining/indy corps is little more than trolling.
You know they wont fight, they know they can avoid the dec, no one gains anything.

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0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#33 - 2012-04-19 10:40:14 UTC
Because they all ready have dec shielded and your war will be nullfied about 10 seconds after it goes live.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#34 - 2012-04-19 19:58:59 UTC
15 days since the last post and you dig this up? Why?

Given that the op hasn't returned to boast of success I think we can all guess what happened.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-04-19 23:00:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
If your going to ask for a payment then it would have to be something reasonable. Asking for 500mil when you are a brand new group is similar to the demands made by Somali pirates. To put it nicely, you don't have the experience or firepower to be a threat to their operations. Unless these guys are the same ones whining on the forums about suicide ganking they probably will have the common sense to dock up when some reds show up in their system.

Plus, nothing is stopping them from simply moving to another corp if you do manage to disrupt their gameplay. Loyalty does not exist among hi-sec miners, those that befriended each other will simply move to the same corp together.

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Maximum Troll
Trollocalypse
#36 - 2012-04-19 23:31:30 UTC
Just gank them without a wardec. Why bother intiating a system that allows them to know when you're about?

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They can drop all of the corps they want, it won't help.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#37 - 2012-04-20 13:54:08 UTC
Five Thirty wrote:
A word of caution, the last time my corporation was war dec'd by some pirates, they lost about 15 ships the first day trying to gank our mission runners. I guess they never assumed that "carebear" corps knew how to fit a warp scrambler on their 800 dps mission ship.


I can demonstrate what a few heavy neuts does to your "mission ship" and it's tank, if you like?

800dps is completely meaningless if the other guy has 150k EHP of buffer and you have 40k and a tank module you can't cycle.

Also in the other thread you stated that you refused to do any PVP ... so is this just a vicarious tale?

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Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-04-20 15:18:54 UTC
I said I strongly avoided PvP, but I was caught stupidly in a mission due to me miscalculating the war start time.
Calfis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-04-20 15:37:36 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
My Corp never gets decced, what are we doing wrong?


Because your corp has a really shat name which you think is clever but is really not. Blink
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#40 - 2012-04-20 15:38:20 UTC
I do missions in fleets of 3-5 PvP ships and hope people try to crash them. They never do...Sad

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