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New dev blog: Team Security - Now with 100% more Anti-RMT

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CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#41 - 2012-04-03 18:16:27 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
Red Alliance former leader talks directly in TS recording about his own RMT actions.
Few months later - nothing happens.
I suppose right now place in large alliance leadership is the safest one for RMT because there is "no evidence" for ban.
How many characters with director roles in large alliances were banned in recent ban wave?


We are not a part of your metagame and this has nothing to do with who does or doesn't like who or what alliance they're in. We deal with what we have evidence of not whatever site on the internet may make allegations.

We don't look at what alliances they're part of or who they are in whatever alliance. We follow the activity. If the activity leads to an alliance then we'll action on an alliance. As it stands this is something fairly new we're working with and while we've had some people with roles tagged that's not a number I anticipate us reporting on as to be frank it's meaningless when the topic is "RMT" and is really only useful when the topic is "I think alliance x is evil". Today we took out at least 3 corporations as an example.

We're going to do this in a way that makes sense from an RMT perspective not based on whomever the metagame flavor of the month for accusations is.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Allataria
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-04-03 18:17:11 UTC
CCP really needs to look at the root of the issue which is making isk in game in any way is terribly boring. Ratting or mining or hauling or missioning. It doesn't matter how you make your money they are all incredibly dull. The amount of time you have to devote to turn any profit especially ratting and mining is ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that if bitters are completely removed before any changes or fixes are put into place to resolve this issue the market willsuffer. Prices will soar an the output ofitems and ships will decrease. I doubt many people realise just how much the current mlarket is dependent on botters especiallythe miners. Let me say though I am not condoning or supporting them but most of the boys are a result of the game being just so dull and repetitive in the ways we make our isk. Incursions however are a good contrast as they are fun and enjoyable in how we make our money. But the problem still is that's its hard and boring to make isk especially in low and null sec. If we could find new ways to get people to actively engage the game to make isk and make it time effective we could seriously reduce the amount of botters in the game. Banning bots wont silver the problem as to why there are bots. It will just cause further issues down the road. Ccp needs to look at the initial reasons why people not and improve resolve and enhance the ways we make our isk in an effective and timely manner.
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-04-03 18:17:28 UTC
I love your work Sreegs and CCP Security.

Please keep it up.
Goran Konjich
Krompany
#44 - 2012-04-03 18:19:14 UTC
there is hope for us noobs :-)

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.
Camios
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-04-03 18:19:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Camios
Really nice stuff, I feel a really happy customer

Quote:
we're expecting to see an average of 100B ISK a day removed from botting accounts.


Does it mean that bots provide at least 3 trillions/months, around 12% of total isk bounties collected in the same period? If it does, it is the definitive proof that botting is (was) a significant part of the EVE economy; and since there is a net flow of 24Tisk/MO into the economy of eve this could turn into a pretty big isk sink

Aynway, kill them all
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#46 - 2012-04-03 18:20:02 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
Skye Aurorae wrote:
I mean I have ads popup alongside my youtube tutorial videos that occasionally advertise the sale of Isk and items in Eve, I have no control over these ads


Seem to remember reading something a while back about the way youtube handles IP claims, ie someone claiming eve vids etc places adds on others vids where the one claiming IP rights gets the advertising revenue, also seems a good way for RMT crowd gaining free aditional money for the adds, might be worth either yourself seeing about disputing the ownership of the vids on youtube or better CCP games doing so.

atm in middle of something in eve, when i can i'll see about tracking down the news article about this and post a link on this thread.
Found it.


http://torrentfreak.com/youtubes-content-id-piracy-filter-wreaks-havoc-110908/


You're welcome to send some examples of these ads to security@ccpgames.com. We haven't yet done much about it but it's been on the radar.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Andrea Griffin
#47 - 2012-04-03 18:20:35 UTC
CCP Sreegs is indeed my favorite developer. ♥♥♥

Could you provide information on the PLEX for Snitches program? I don't believe I caught it the first time around. Is it some kind of automatic thing whenever any report is made, or does it have to go through specific channels?

CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer.
Rendiff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-04-03 18:20:39 UTC
Quote:
Don't do business with people you know to be involved in RMT. Don't buy accounts, items, PLEX or ISK illegally. THERE YOU HAVE IT! The ONLY legal seller of PLEX is CCP.


Does that include places like shatteredcrystal.com?
Ruthless Erection
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-04-03 18:21:26 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
InVictus Kell wrote:
From the dev post:

" Buy PLEX, don't be a space butt "






nice, reads like a good 'ol fashion political slogan or old war bond ad from WWII.


Typical CCP.


I hope CCP realizes that by banning the bots, their going to massively alter the in-game market. From what information they've released, about 75% of the current items on the market is bot produced, what happens when that 75% turns to 0?

We've seen what happens when plex's get flooded on the market, and when they become scarce. Anyone remember the days when plex's were 300m or less?


CCP's already fubar'd. My account was banned for "RMTing", I sold a motherf***ing character, using the forums, and they said I sold it for real life cash. That's 50mill SP toon I'm not getting back, nor the 8billion it was sold for.

I hope this current "War on Bots" turns around and bites them in the ass. It'll be a well-deserved kick in the butt for the failure of not looking more than 2 ft in front of them.
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#50 - 2012-04-03 18:22:42 UTC
Allataria wrote:
CCP really needs to look at the root of the issue which is making isk in game in any way is terribly boring. Ratting or mining or hauling or missioning. It doesn't matter how you make your money they are all incredibly dull. The amount of time you have to devote to turn any profit especially ratting and mining is ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that if bitters are completely removed before any changes or fixes are put into place to resolve this issue the market willsuffer. Prices will soar an the output ofitems and ships will decrease. I doubt many people realise just how much the current mlarket is dependent on botters especiallythe miners. Let me say though I am not condoning or supporting them but most of the boys are a result of the game being just so dull and repetitive in the ways we make our isk. Incursions however are a good contrast as they are fun and enjoyable in how we make our money. But the problem still is that's its hard and boring to make isk especially in low and null sec. If we could find new ways to get people to actively engage the game to make isk and make it time effective we could seriously reduce the amount of botters in the game. Banning bots wont silver the problem as to why there are bots. It will just cause further issues down the road. Ccp needs to look at the initial reasons why people not and improve resolve and enhance the ways we make our isk in an effective and timely manner.


By this measuring stick every single MMO ever has been boring. I hear the argument and I'd love to see some data which proves that altering gameplay to meet whatever standard the rather nebulous term "fun" applies to in any way mitigates RMT.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Melthariumin
Shady Macs Import and Export
#51 - 2012-04-03 18:22:43 UTC
Can i have their stuff??

Bear
Sarmatiko
#52 - 2012-04-03 18:23:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
CCP Sreegs wrote:
We are not a part of your metagame and this has nothing to do with who does or doesn't like who or what alliance they're in. We deal with what we have evidence of not whatever site on the internet may make allegations.

I dont care about RA or metagaming.
I only care because one known member directly said in public - "I sold ISK from alliance wallet to pay my debt for my car".
There is no evidence for CCP, but there enough evidence for rest of the community, including RA members.
We see that ISK seller still plays this game and nothing happens. That's pretty much describes the whole anti-RMT system and effectiveness of "activity detection'.
Lanasak
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-04-03 18:24:00 UTC
Allataria wrote:
CCP really needs to look at the root of the issue which is making isk in game in any way is terribly boring. Ratting or mining or hauling or missioning. It doesn't matter how you make your money they are all incredibly dull. The amount of time you have to devote to turn any profit especially ratting and mining is ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that if bitters are completely removed before any changes or fixes are put into place to resolve this issue the market willsuffer. Prices will soar an the output ofitems and ships will decrease. I doubt many people realise just how much the current mlarket is dependent on botters especiallythe miners. Let me say though I am not condoning or supporting them but most of the boys are a result of the game being just so dull and repetitive in the ways we make our isk. Incursions however are a good contrast as they are fun and enjoyable in how we make our money. But the problem still is that's its hard and boring to make isk especially in low and null sec. If we could find new ways to get people to actively engage the game to make isk and make it time effective we could seriously reduce the amount of botters in the game. Banning bots wont silver the problem as to why there are bots. It will just cause further issues down the road. Ccp needs to look at the initial reasons why people not and improve resolve and enhance the ways we make our isk in an effective and timely manner.


Holy wall of text batman, this isn't even Sreegs' area.
Avila Cracko
#54 - 2012-04-03 18:24:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Avila Cracko
No false positives... **** yea... Big smile
So the richest Goon and Goon Director is banned too Big smile

http://soundcloud.com/user8371571/vandvpodcast-mitanniinterview
listen from 19:00.

And its not false positive. Big smile

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Andrea Griffin
#55 - 2012-04-03 18:24:08 UTC
Ruthless Erection wrote:
I hope CCP realizes that by banning the bots, their going to massively alter the in-game market. From what information they've released, about 75% of the current items on the market is bot produced, what happens when that 75% turns to 0?
Cool, that means that there will be more rewards for non-bot players when they do produce something valuable.

CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-04-03 18:24:35 UTC
Rendiff wrote:
Quote:
Don't do business with people you know to be involved in RMT. Don't buy accounts, items, PLEX or ISK illegally. THERE YOU HAVE IT! The ONLY legal seller of PLEX is CCP.


Does that include places like shatteredcrystal.com?


they sell GTCs and not plex :P
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#57 - 2012-04-03 18:26:09 UTC
Ruthless Erection wrote:

I hope CCP realizes that by banning the bots, their going to massively alter the in-game market. From what information they've released, about 75% of the current items on the market is bot produced, what happens when that 75% turns to 0?

Buy those items now, reap massive profits later.
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#58 - 2012-04-03 18:26:09 UTC
Andrea Griffin wrote:
CCP Sreegs is indeed my favorite developer. ♥♥♥

Could you provide information on the PLEX for Snitches program? I don't believe I caught it the first time around. Is it some kind of automatic thing whenever any report is made, or does it have to go through specific channels?


At the moment if you provide us with information at security@ccpgames.com which leads to us discovering something of value we can action against we will give a reward which matches the value of the data. We don't use this for individual botters for instance but detailed information about an RMT ring might qualify.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#59 - 2012-04-03 18:26:26 UTC
Rendiff wrote:
Quote:
Don't do business with people you know to be involved in RMT. Don't buy accounts, items, PLEX or ISK illegally. THERE YOU HAVE IT! The ONLY legal seller of PLEX is CCP.


Does that include places like shatteredcrystal.com?


Shattered crystal, Deepspace deposit (battleclinics resell site) are all authorised reseller of eve time codes which are convertable to plex etc, what he means is something like www.randomrmt.com (not a actual site, just an example) who offer to sell accounts (EULA violation) items like titans etc (all items etc are CCPs ip and property, so you cant sell what you dont own) plex which is a ingame item, and isk which is ingame currency for real life money, ie £ stirling, $ USD etc etc etc
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#60 - 2012-04-03 18:26:42 UTC
Rendiff wrote:
Quote:
Don't do business with people you know to be involved in RMT. Don't buy accounts, items, PLEX or ISK illegally. THERE YOU HAVE IT! The ONLY legal seller of PLEX is CCP.


Does that include places like shatteredcrystal.com?


They don't sell plex. :)

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012