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New dev blog: Team Security - Now with 100% more Anti-RMT

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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#21 - 2012-04-03 17:51:36 UTC
Sreegs: Can you address the concern - nay, the undeniable fact - that reporting your foes in-game, whether or not they're actually engaging in any sort of RMT, is going to become a regular tactic nowadays, all the moreso that you're offering an incentive for doing so? Will there be punitive action taken against players who spam lots of reports, especially if investigation into those reports keeps coming up negative?

My concern here is that you're going to create a whole lot of unnecessary workload for yourself investigating all kinds of false reports, which could serve to reduce your effectiveness at dealing with actual RMTers.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-04-03 17:53:17 UTC
nice job

so much about the 15 trillion PL isk banned :P
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#23 - 2012-04-03 17:54:01 UTC
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
ahuj9

also:

Quote:
Around 105 accounts with direct ties to RMT (Real Money Trade) operations banned permanently

Can you tell how many players were thought to be behind these 105 accounts? ie are we talking about shutting down 105 different players who were each using 1 account for RMT, or a handful of insane multiboxers, or what?


It was a mixed bag really. I can't really estimate that right this second.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#24 - 2012-04-03 17:55:43 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Sreegs: Can you address the concern - nay, the undeniable fact - that reporting your foes in-game, whether or not they're actually engaging in any sort of RMT, is going to become a regular tactic nowadays, all the moreso that you're offering an incentive for doing so? Will there be punitive action taken against players who spam lots of reports, especially if investigation into those reports keeps coming up negative?

My concern here is that you're going to create a whole lot of unnecessary workload for yourself investigating all kinds of false reports, which could serve to reduce your effectiveness at dealing with actual RMTers.


I won't have the team's time wasted so you can take whatever you will from that. :)

To be honest with you this is a whole lot more advanced than I think a lot of people comprehend and this really isn't feasible.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Jack bubu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-04-03 17:57:12 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Fantastic job guys - I hope you really hammer the hell out of them. :)

Quote:

Between 1-3 trillion ISK in assets siezed permanently
Around 500 billion ISK in RMT transactions reversed


I see that PL was trolling over losing 15T ISK. This was expected.

-Liang

Yeah thanks for headshotting the troll sreegs :[
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#26 - 2012-04-03 17:58:23 UTC
Jack bubu wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Fantastic job guys - I hope you really hammer the hell out of them. :)

Quote:

Between 1-3 trillion ISK in assets siezed permanently
Around 500 billion ISK in RMT transactions reversed


I see that PL was trolling over losing 15T ISK. This was expected.

-Liang

Yeah thanks for headshotting the troll sreegs :[


You got a weekend's mileage out of it ok

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Pyrus Octavius
Flat Earth Believers
#27 - 2012-04-03 17:59:31 UTC
CCP Sreegs for President, and crowned Savior of EvE.
Adunh Slavy
#28 - 2012-04-03 17:59:53 UTC
Thanks for all the hard work!

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-04-03 18:05:18 UTC
first link to Details may be found in my Fanfest presentation located doesn't work

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#30 - 2012-04-03 18:05:39 UTC
I would like to wish good luck in the war on RMT

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#31 - 2012-04-03 18:05:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Blastcaps Madullier
CCP Guard wrote:
Buying and selling ISK is bad m´kay. And CCP Sreegs is here to tell you what Team Security is doing about it.

Read the blog here and let us know if you have feedback or questions for us.



I have a question CCP Guard

"Neither RMT nor bot-related activity have any place in New Eden any longer"

odd choice of phrasing on the dev blog, implication being CCP condoned botting till recently....


Also are CCP Games going to take actions against companys producing botting programs? activision-blizzard did a while ago against wow glider so might be worth CCPs legal department looking at the case files, judgements etc and see how/if they can be applied against bot producing companys selling their botting software commercialy
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2012-04-03 18:06:02 UTC
How does one use the Plex For Sniches program, I would like to pay for my accounts through reporting ice mining bots.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#33 - 2012-04-03 18:07:11 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
Buying and selling ISK is bad m´kay. And CCP Sreegs is here to tell you what Team Security is doing about it.

Read the blog here and let us know if you have feedback or questions for us.



I have a question CCP Guard

"Neither RMT nor bot-related activity have any place in New Eden any longer"

odd choice of phrasing on the dev blog, implication being CCP condoned botting till recently....


You could read it that way, or you could read it for what it is - "Until sreegs came along we didn't really have a team in place to effectively deal with this."

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#34 - 2012-04-03 18:07:38 UTC
Palovana wrote:
First!

Quote:
Update: Since this blog was written this afternoon we've taken out another 365 account bot/rmt ring. No estimate of assets yet.

Another big score.

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automated botting detection routines

Bots hunting bots. IT'S THE FUTURE!

Quote:
All actions will be retroactive to at LEAST February.

Any particular reason you're using February as a cutoff? I guess activity logs can only be kept so long. Not being a botter I'd say go back to 2003 with this. Big smile


We can go back further but we're leaving wiggle room depending on the offense. The farther back we go the more manual labor is involved which means we spend more time manually sifting through things which leaves our net less wide than we want it to be.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#35 - 2012-04-03 18:08:55 UTC
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
How does one use the Plex For Sniches program, I would like to pay for my accounts through reporting ice mining bots.


I don't really use it for bots as we tend to get flooded with information and there's a reporting feature for that. For today we're limiting it to major items such as privatized RMT rings or specific technologies.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Caiman Graystock
Starways Congress
#36 - 2012-04-03 18:10:30 UTC
Sreegs I have a really short attention span and got to the part where you said you will remove ALL isk in game received through ill gotten gains which is great and all- how does this work if some RMT idiot uses their ill gotten isk to fulfil a legitimate contract, is the isk taken back from the seller and their item returned?
stoicfaux
#37 - 2012-04-03 18:10:31 UTC
No false positives yet? Impressive.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Sarmatiko
#38 - 2012-04-03 18:11:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
Red Alliance former leader talks directly in TS recording about his own RMT actions.
Few months later - nothing happens.
I suppose right now place in large alliance leadership is the safest one for RMT because there is "no evidence" for ban.
How many characters with director roles in large alliances were banned in recent ban wave?
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#39 - 2012-04-03 18:11:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Blastcaps Madullier
Skye Aurorae wrote:
I mean I have ads popup alongside my youtube tutorial videos that occasionally advertise the sale of Isk and items in Eve, I have no control over these ads


Seem to remember reading something a while back about the way youtube handles IP claims, ie someone claiming eve vids etc places adds on others vids where the one claiming IP rights gets the advertising revenue, also seems a good way for RMT crowd gaining free aditional money for the adds, might be worth either yourself seeing about disputing the ownership of the vids on youtube or better CCP games doing so.

atm in middle of something in eve, when i can i'll see about tracking down the news article about this and post a link on this thread.
Found it.


http://torrentfreak.com/youtubes-content-id-piracy-filter-wreaks-havoc-110908/
InVictus Kell
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-04-03 18:13:22 UTC  |  Edited by: InVictus Kell
From the dev post:

" Buy PLEX, don't be a space butt "






nice, reads like a good 'ol fashion political slogan or old war bond ad from WWII.