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New dev blog: Team Security - Now with 100% more Anti-RMT

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CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2012-04-03 17:26:53 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Navigator
Buying and selling ISK is bad m´kay. And CCP Sreegs is here to tell you what Team Security is doing about it.

Read the blog here and let us know if you have feedback or questions for us.

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
#2 - 2012-04-03 17:29:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Palovana
First!

Quote:
Update: Since this blog was written this afternoon we've taken out another 365 account bot/rmt ring. No estimate of assets yet.

Another big score.

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automated botting detection routines

Bots hunting bots. IT'S THE FUTURE!

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All actions will be retroactive to at LEAST February.

Any particular reason you're using February as a cutoff? I guess activity logs can only be kept so long. Not being a botter I'd say go back to 2003 with this. Big smile

Please support: export of settings in editable format

Your stuff goes here.
Hiram Alexander
State Reprisal
#3 - 2012-04-03 17:33:01 UTC
Quote:
We will continue to expand the scope of this to include asset seizure in the coming days which will include reclamation of supercaps...

Boy, did I laugh...!
Superb blog !
Lanasak
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-04-03 17:33:20 UTC
Death to all bots.
Squall5668
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-04-03 17:33:24 UTC
OH GOD... fun times ahead
Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
#6 - 2012-04-03 17:33:37 UTC
Bye bye RMTers, we didn't love you anyway.

Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7
Demon Azrakel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-04-03 17:34:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Demon Azrakel
needs moar graphs

EDIT: Effective retro to just before Fanfest we will be removing ALL isk gained from botting when the ban takes effect. Details may be found in my Fanfest presentation located here.

Youtube link for "here" is broken
Skye Aurorae
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-04-03 17:39:28 UTC
"Don't do business with people you know to be involved in RMT."

I'm handing out a lot of buddy invites, to people I'm worried what would happen if one of them ignores me and goes buying stuff for money. I mean I have ads popup alongside my youtube tutorial videos that occasionally advertise the sale of Isk and items in Eve, I have no control over these ads and I make it clear to people I invite that PLEX is the way to go but based on this devblog it's only a matter of time until some person I help out pulls me into this mess through no fault of my own.

Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21 - oh well.
gfldex
#9 - 2012-04-03 17:39:50 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
We love you if you don't cheat


You are like a mother to us!

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Iniquita
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-04-03 17:40:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Iniquita
I support this product and/or service.

Though I know that some people are willing just to biomass the character who got the negative wallet and none of their other characters or assets (whom obviously benefited from this illicit activity) are impacted. Hopefully in the future you will look more closely at people who purchase rmt'd isk because it seems all you need to be willing to do is biomass the character who took the initial wallet it and the person can keep any ill gotten assets they have purchased.

Another example here though Im not going to name specifics. I know of at least one person who has been extremely unrepentant. His wallet got hit pretty hard but he had purchased made contract purchases and was able to retain his assets.

It seems a bit of an oversight that people can simply purchase isk, buy assets and pass on assets via contracts to alts to avoid the impact of what you are trying to do. Or simply biomass characters with a negative wallet and go on to purchase new characters. Maybe you should consider adding a fee to biomassing or something. Please consider looking into ways people will still be able to game the system and continue to work towards an RMT free eve.
Doris Dents
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-04-03 17:40:28 UTC
Sreegs is a butte
Learath
Incendiary Industries
#12 - 2012-04-03 17:40:54 UTC
a href="http://%20http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG13u9KKtzE&list=PLDDA989F65CD6E98A&index=9&feature=plpp_video"

Best html EVAR!
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#13 - 2012-04-03 17:42:55 UTC
Learath wrote:
a href="http://%20http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG13u9KKtzE&list=PLDDA989F65CD6E98A&index=9&feature=plpp_video"

Best html EVAR!


It's a security thing. I think Sreegs is paranoid that someone might actually find his video if the URL actually leads to it. But I fixed it in any case :)

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#14 - 2012-04-03 17:46:38 UTC
Fantastic job guys - I hope you really hammer the hell out of them. :)

Quote:

Between 1-3 trillion ISK in assets siezed permanently
Around 500 billion ISK in RMT transactions reversed


I see that PL was trolling over losing 15T ISK. This was expected.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#15 - 2012-04-03 17:48:39 UTC
Iniquita wrote:
I support this product and/or service.

Though I know that some people are willing just to biomass the character who got the negative wallet and none of their other characters or assets (whom obviously benefited from this illicit activity) remain untouched. Hopefully in the future you will look more closely at people who purchase rmt'd isk because it seems all you need to be willing to do is biomass the character who took the initial wallet it and the person can keep any ill gotten assets they have purchased.

Im not going to name specifics here but I know of at least one person who has been extremely unrepentant. His wallet got hit pretty hard but he had purchased made contract purchases and was able to retain his assets. Another person simply biomassed the character with a negative wallet and plans to purchase a new character from the bazaar.

It seems a bit of an oversight that people can simply purchase isk, buy assets and pass on assets via contracts to alts to avoid the impact of what you are trying to do. Or simply biomass characters with a negative wallet and go on to purchase new characters. Maybe you should consider adding a fee to biomassing or something.


We're trying not to be too elaborate right now but we've already had situations where we've just gone ahead and moved the negative balance to a main.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#16 - 2012-04-03 17:49:15 UTC
Pirate

Excellent.

Where I am.
Omu Matol
Repo.
#17 - 2012-04-03 17:50:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Omu Matol
Yeah I'm a little curious how far down the chain they are willing to go.

Guy buys isk from RMT'er
Guy buys shiny thing (account even?) from dude
Dude spend dirty isk he doesn't know is dirty on something shiny.
rinse and repeat.
CCP finds out about Guy. Takes away requisite amount of isk, leaving him possibly negative.
What do they do to the trail of isk?
HELIC0N ONE
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-04-03 17:50:55 UTC  |  Edited by: HELIC0N ONE
ahuj9

also:

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Around 105 accounts with direct ties to RMT (Real Money Trade) operations banned permanently

Can you tell how many players were thought to be behind these 105 accounts? ie are we talking about shutting down 105 different players who were each using 1 account for RMT, or a handful of insane multiboxers, or what?
Hiram Alexander
State Reprisal
#19 - 2012-04-03 17:51:02 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Iniquita wrote:
I support this product and/or service.

Though I know that some people are willing just to biomass the character who got the negative wallet and none of their other characters or assets (whom obviously benefited from this illicit activity) remain untouched. Hopefully in the future you will look more closely at people who purchase rmt'd isk because it seems all you need to be willing to do is biomass the character who took the initial wallet it and the person can keep any ill gotten assets they have purchased.

Im not going to name specifics here but I know of at least one person who has been extremely unrepentant. His wallet got hit pretty hard but he had purchased made contract purchases and was able to retain his assets. Another person simply biomassed the character with a negative wallet and plans to purchase a new character from the bazaar.

It seems a bit of an oversight that people can simply purchase isk, buy assets and pass on assets via contracts to alts to avoid the impact of what you are trying to do. Or simply biomass characters with a negative wallet and go on to purchase new characters. Maybe you should consider adding a fee to biomassing or something.


We're trying not to be too elaborate right now but we've already had situations where we've just gone ahead and moved the negative balance to a main.

Standing ovation...! Nice :)
Kurai Okala
Okala Corp
#20 - 2012-04-03 17:51:28 UTC
Cheater tears = best tears

Keep up the good work!
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