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Official Recantation of Previous Opposition to Nation

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Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#41 - 2011-09-23 13:39:42 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
I am one of the few of my background who really wants to do what is good for everyone rather than just a tribe or a family
You share this desire with the Sansha, you know.
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#42 - 2011-09-23 15:39:14 UTC
Ikarus Gaul wrote:
Fellow Capsuleers,

This is an official repudiation of my previous position in opposition to Nation.

That opposition was founded in fear and a tendency to favour the status quo. Later, it was debased by a greedy acceptance of the commercialization of the capsuleer-based mercenary response by CONCORD. Like so many, I was blinded by fear of the new, and the glitter of shiny ISK and the toys that it could procure.

I urge you all to do likewise. Turn your backs on the empty, directionless, purposelessness of your eternal conflicts in service of empires and alliances. Turn towards salvation and purpose under Nation and Master Kuvakei. Only the Master has the knowledge and power to unite the races of humanity against the forces that would tear it apart. Only Nation is a beacon of hope in the cold and dark of the night.

This is no hollow gesture. I have liquidated my empire-based assets and now labour as a freelancer for True Power in Nation's heartland. I have donated a substantial portion (c. 20%) of my net worth to a proven loyalist capsuleer organization in order to subsidize their activities. And will no doubt participate in more rehabilitative activities in the future.

Furthermore, I also apologize to Nation and Slave Tama01 for my leading role in destroying her Chimera in Aidart in YC 112.08.05. I offer to replace said asset, valued at 780M ISK, if such restitution is required.

—Ikarus Gaul—

If you wish to turn from the avarice and emptiness of greed that prevails in Capsuleer space, why turn to the violence and slavery of the nation? There are so many other ways to have a life of significance and conscience. The Disciples of Ston reject the base values of greed and violence, so can you!

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#43 - 2011-09-24 05:29:09 UTC
So many flowery words from yet another soon-to-be drone. Yawn.

Your master is quite mad but don't worry because, like any rabid animal, he'll soon be put down. Just wondering if at that point you'll post another note stating that you were mislead and begging to return to our side?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Ikarus Gaul
S I G M A
#44 - 2011-09-24 05:52:01 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
So many flowery words from yet another soon-to-be drone. Yawn.

Your master is quite mad but don't worry because, like any rabid animal, he'll soon be put down. Just wondering if at that point you'll post another note stating that you were mislead and begging to return to our side?



However unlikely that scenario (and nothing is entirely impossible), it is not a universe that I would care to continue on in; I'd rather go down fighting, in that case.

And no, you shall not witness a change in position from this point forward.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2011-09-24 17:34:06 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:
ValentinaDLM wrote:
I am one of the few of my background who really wants to do what is good for everyone rather than just a tribe or a family
You share this desire with the Sansha, you know.


Or me, you know.
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#46 - 2011-09-24 20:35:35 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Arkady Sadik wrote:
ValentinaDLM wrote:
I am one of the few of my background who really wants to do what is good for everyone rather than just a tribe or a family
You share this desire with the Sansha, you know.
Or me, you know.
Yes, sadly enough. The desire to "help" others no matter whether they want your kind of help or not is the one single thing that makes you Amarrians a problem for me.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#47 - 2011-09-24 21:41:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Ikarus Gaul wrote:

That opposition was founded in fear and a tendency to favour the status quo.
—Ikarus Gaul—


Says the guy wearing the monocle, who wants to be a toaster-zombie.

See, this is why Nation must be resisted: No sense of ironic humour!

(But hey, at least you spelt "favour" correctly Cool)

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#48 - 2011-09-25 03:25:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
I love it when challengers to the corrupt status quo show up offering salvation from that status quo by the same kind of force that maintains the present status quo.


Hello new boss, same as the old boss.



At the least, the destruction of materials liberates them to be used as others - perhaps with more straightforward and level-headed ideas - in ways that neither the status quo nor the challengers to it see fit.

In fact I am seeing capsuleer-piloted Nightmares going up against Sansha forces more often, if not for other things.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#49 - 2011-09-25 15:26:16 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Arkady Sadik wrote:
ValentinaDLM wrote:
I am one of the few of my background who really wants to do what is good for everyone rather than just a tribe or a family
You share this desire with the Sansha, you know.
Or me, you know.
Yes, sadly enough. The desire to "help" others no matter whether they want your kind of help or not is the one single thing that makes you Amarrians a problem for me.



That kind of answer definitly does not constitute an eulogy to your intelligence. Considering the debates we have had previously, I thought you were worth much more than that.

I think I was not clear enough : I am not an amarrian loyalist. You can discuss it endlessly refering to my previous records without any true real knowledge of it in mind, but my current and actual records are clear enough.

Though your pathetic reaction is quite revealing of your usual bias trying to take out of any unrelated statement the smallest bit of PR profit for your personnal vendettas against Amarr and your expectable hypocritical agendas.

So, in case I was not clear enough :

- My desire to help New Eden does not lie in oppression nor slavery, but in science and evolution. But I suppose this is what monsters usually think.
- I share most of your views and demands regarding the Empire. If you want to know what keeps me continuing endlessly to argue against your statements, you just have to look at your bias and hypocrisy of pots calling kettles black.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#50 - 2011-09-25 16:41:09 UTC
Sorry Farel but, until very recently, you were a member of an Amarrian loyalist group that fought directly against the Minmatar people's militia and you are a practitioner and defender of the Amarrian faith. Therefore, I don't see Captain Sadik's assertions as false.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#51 - 2011-09-25 18:37:45 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Sorry Farel but, until very recently, you were a member of an Amarrian loyalist group that fought directly against the Minmatar people's militia and you are a practitioner and defender of the Amarrian faith. Therefore, I don't see Captain Sadik's assertions as false.



You are aware, that one can fight against the TLF, without being an Amarrian loyalist themselves right? Nor does ones faith they practice have a bearing on their loyalty to the empire or not.

I know that wasn't directed at me at all, but I felt the need to respond since one could make similar claims about my corporation, being a member of the Crusade. I am not someone who you should consider an Amarrian loyalist, and while I have a certain admiration for the Empires culture, I am also faithless. However, I think anyone looking out for the best interests of others though would think it wise to help curtail these terrorists that call the TLF home, they are dangerous and in many circumstances criminals as well. To this end, I work for the Empire, but I do take a critical eye to their laws and customs, I certainly am not an unquestioning servant, more like a paid subcontractor. There are only a few people in all of New Eden I would listen to unquestioning of what they ask of me.

Arkady Sadik wrote:

You share this desire with the Sansha, you know.


You know I almost spilled my tea laughing when you said this. It is very much true, it also reveals you either don't know me very well, or enjoy saying ironic things.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#52 - 2011-09-26 10:35:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Anabella Rella wrote:
Sorry Farel but, until very recently, you were a member of an Amarrian loyalist group that fought directly against the Minmatar people's militia and you are a practitioner and defender of the Amarrian faith. Therefore, I don't see Captain Sadik's assertions as false.



As I said, you can discuss my previous records, though I will definitly not agree with your views on this. Do someone that works for the Caldari Navy is systematicaly a Heth or a provist loyalist, trying to crush the Gallentean culture ? Do someone that works for the Republic Fleet always support the current republican regime ? Reasoning with black and white broad statements like you and Sadik are used to do may make your moral compass easier to grasp, but it does not make your mindset detached, wise and exhaustive - quite the contrary. Following your reasoning, someone of any culture that does not follow the patriotist mindsets of his/her own culture is not part of this culture ? What nonsense is that ?

Anyway, I shall correct you on several things if you do not mind :

- I fought against the TLF contesting amarrian territory, and that is all. Eventually, I fought for the statu quo, not for the Empress' war whims, nor for the old dusty Reclaiming patriots (hence here, orthodox Amarrians).

- In that regard, I could have fought for the TLF in Minmatar space either as I stated somewhere else on the old IGS, but my background and current condition offered much more possibilities for me to act in the Amarrian side. Please remember that I have also fought for the Gallente against piracy before, so you will probably understand that the thing I have always found very sad is indeed factionnalism.

- I only defended the litteral version of the Amarrian Faith, not the interpretated one of the orthodox mindset.

Therefore, captain Sadik's assertions are false, or caricatural at best.

Sorry, but including me in the conservative amarrian mindset by blanket meaningless statements or calling me a monster because it suited you might be entertaining, but it remains false.
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#53 - 2011-09-26 12:06:35 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
I think I was not clear enough : I am not an amarrian loyalist.
Actually, considering your recent actions - e.g. leaving one of the most aggressive corporations active in the war against the Republic - I can believe that, now.

Quote:
You can discuss it endlessly refering to my previous records without any true real knowledge of it in mind
Well. If your actions differ from your words, I prefer to call you based on your actions, not based on your words. Now that your actions are more closely aligned to those words, things change.

Quote:
your personnal vendettas against Amarr and your expectable hypocritical agendas.
My personal vendetta? I said it before, and I can repeat it again: I couldn't care less about the Amarr. If you Amarr would stick to yourselves and leave us alone, I'd be more than happy to return the favor. As it is, this is not the case. The Amarr keep my people in captivity and organizations like PIE Inc. and the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown work hard towards "reclaiming" the rest of us. And when I call you out on that, it is me having a personal "vendetta"?

You must be kidding.

It is good to see that you started to put your actions where before there were only words. You have my respect for this. I wish more people would follow your example.
Gen Kumon
Naqam
#54 - 2011-09-26 14:56:20 UTC
Although I am, admittedly, late to the party, I'd like to take the time to welcome you, Pilot Gaul, into the arms of the Master.

Assuming your change of heart was true, and you earn our trust through service to Nation, I look forward to seeing you officially and fully join the ranks of thoses of us who are truly Friends of the Nation.

Be warned, if your epiphany is a false one, and you plan to betray the Master...you will be lucky if you last long enough for him to turn his attention to you. I hope this will not be the case.

Good luck in Stain, pilot.
Crucifire
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2011-09-26 18:21:36 UTC
Gen Kumon wrote:
Be warned, if your epiphany is a false one, and you plan to betray the Master...you will be lucky if you last long enough for him to turn his attention to you. I hope this will not be the case.


Oh, I don't know about that. The rest of us seem to be okay so far.
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
#56 - 2011-09-26 19:36:20 UTC
Let's get back to the original absurdity of anyone willingly choosing to serve Sansha Nation and their oxymoronic promises.

Etymology of "utopia" = "nowhere"

Nation leads to nowhere except slavery.

Recant your recantation and return to sanity, rationality, and responsible spirituality.

SANKOFA

Ikarus Gaul
S I G M A
#57 - 2011-09-26 20:11:02 UTC
Manwe Todako wrote:
Let's get back to the original absurdity of anyone willingly choosing to serve Sansha Nation and their oxymoronic promises.

Etymology of "utopia" = "nowhere"

Nation leads to nowhere except slavery.

Recant your recantation and return to sanity, rationality, and responsible spirituality.



Etymology is the history of words. The history of individual words is rooted in the historical world views prevalent at the time that a word is coined. Because our ancestors could not conceive of the validity of a sane, rational end-state does not mean that it could not exist. I reject this sort of defeatism.

I think that your expectation that disconnected individualists, propped-up by spirituality, is what is irrational and insane, pilot.

Niraia
Starcakes
Cynosural Field Theory.
#58 - 2011-09-26 20:38:28 UTC
Gen Kumon wrote:
Be warned, if your epiphany is a false one, and you plan to betray the Master...you will be lucky if you last long enough for him to turn his attention to you.


Shaktipat Revelators warning of betrayal! I suppose Ghost Hunter, Drake Arson, and your child of a CEO didn't last very long either, right?

Pathetic hypocrite. I hope that you and everyone you hold dear die in the most horrific fashion imaginable, and that I find myself in a position to be responsible for it.


Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#59 - 2011-09-26 22:00:27 UTC
Niraia wrote:
I hope that you and everyone you hold dear die in the most horrific fashion imaginable
Well, they voluntarily subject themselves to Nation - that does come quite close.
Wedgetail
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2011-09-27 04:51:37 UTC
Ikarus Gaul wrote:
Manwe Todako wrote:
Let's get back to the original absurdity of anyone willingly choosing to serve Sansha Nation and their oxymoronic promises.

Etymology of "utopia" = "nowhere"

Nation leads to nowhere except slavery.

Recant your recantation and return to sanity, rationality, and responsible spirituality.



Etymology is the history of words. The history of individual words is rooted in the historical world views prevalent at the time that a word is coined. Because our ancestors could not conceive of the validity of a sane, rational end-state does not mean that it could not exist. I reject this sort of defeatism.

I think that your expectation that disconnected individualists, propped-up by spirituality, is what is irrational and insane, pilot.



You consistently miss the point...still Gaul...after all this time... and Manwe, you missed the 'e' mate :) the word means 'good place' of which the universe has many - none of which were constructed by madmen...unless of course the creator of the universe is mad, but that's another topic of discussion altogether.

Kuvakei though leads to eutopia meaning 'no place' - somewhere that does not exist.
It does not exist because we burned his little falsehood to the ground the first time.

Even if Kuvakei should manage to find a new white shiny throne to call his paradise - there will be none among you fit to inhabit it - something your deliberately limited minds are no longer capable of seeing. Cool