Warfare & Tactics

Our little pirate corp recently war dec'd 6 industrial corps.

The idea being that we want to ask them for a generous donation to our corporate fund in exchange for letting them mine happily.

Now, each of these corps have about 20 to 40 members. We have been observing all of them for a while, they have little tonp pvp capabilities except for a few guys who maybe do lvl 4 missions so they might have a small capacity at firepower.

They mine ice for the most of them. They go around in small fleets or Orca + Hulks/Mackinaws.

They are absolutely careless, some of them usually hang around the dock of the station for whole minutes in gangs of exhumers (except they hand around at 5-6 km from docking range, not at 0).

Now, we sent each of them a 24 hour notice, explaining that if we received a donation of 500 mil, we would not implement the war dec which was voted on and only waiting to be implemented.

After 48 hours no response, but they have not modified (not a single of the corps) their way of doing things. Now the war dec has been launched and will enter into full force in less than 8 hours.

They will loose billions in hulks, orcas, etc. And as far as I can see, they have made no contact with merc corps as we have not been wardecced and their members have not increased.

So why would you not pay in such case ? Why would you assume that you are safe keeping on doing what you do carelessly ? I don't understand the concept ... knowing that you will loose much more than the 500 million isk donation we request.

Does anyone have opinions on this ? Experience maybe and explanations as to why they do this ?

They probably also think that they'd notice reds coming into local and so dock up.... but until they see the reds, they'll continue doing what they're doing

They will keep mining till the wardec is active. They might be waiting to join an alliance, so they can shake off your wardec.

Bad for business not to. We tend to believe in honouring our agreements.

It's mostly because ransoms are almost never honored. Furthermore, even if you honor your ransom, the defender guesses that you'll tell all your pirate buddies that they paid up, and they'll be hit with a flurry of new dec's.

Principle might also be involved. Someone who declares war on you is your enemy, and you don't willingly give money to your enemies.



It could just be denial. Also, wait and see what they do when the war actually goes active. You may be the ten bazillionth pirate corp to war dec them in the last month, so they are well practiced at squeezing every ISK out of those occasional moments of peace.

All right, well we'll see where it goes once the war dec goes active. I'll update here just fo details if I have questions.

But in regards to honour, we don't fraternize with other pirates so we would not tell others to war dec them, and we would honour the ransom. I guess this is maybe becoming rare these days.

You may say that, you may feel that way, you may believe it, it may even be true.

However, what you believe doesn't matter here. It what your enemy believes. They probably view this as extortion. They will most likely not pay, shed your war dec in some manner described and be back to mining shortly.

I know if you requested 500 mil from me, I would laugh in your face, dock up for the war, and enjoy the week off playing xbox. If the war lasted longer than a week, I would either drop corp, higher mercs, it keep playing the 360. It really all depends on the games available.

Well, there's that but then again there is context.

We are all RL friends, and we have had a really tough time getting organized because of our respective jobs etc.

The fact is that I am the one who played Eve, and I signed all of them up through the Xmas 60 day trial thing. They all love it, but as a small group it has been hard for me to provide them content.

We set up a POS in low sec for a while, but it was hard for us to connect at the same time, so the little amount of operations we attempted failed miserably because of lack of people in the gang.

Now, I think this high sec war dec thing might give a complete different result, and it offers a slightly safer environment for them to learn. Considering they are all brand new players with very low SP.

So, on paper yes our results haven't been good, but we just need to find some active content to relate to. Initially my friends were not very eager to jump into the game straight by doing low sec or null sec, they followed me anyway but it was a pretty big mistake on my part.

This might be what we need, and I think our killboard will soon reflect that, with the blood of all those industrial corps.

But that's just my analysis. Others are welcome to their opinions.

You should all join red vs blue and get some pvp practice.

Give what has been posted, I would say no indy corp will view you as a true threat until you all are far more experienced.

The behavior of industrialists during war is often extremely strange and you'll often have to destroy several billion isk in ships before anyone will even consider paying you.

Usually they either don't believe you'll actually retract or if you do that you won't immediately declare war on them again or that they for some reason think that there is a secret society of wardec corps and that paying up will result in hundreds of incoming wars (which it actually won't) .