EVE General Discussion

I believe that creating more moments that give a feeling of scale like this would have a much greater effect than any graphics update.

That's the thing. The ships do look small.

Because they're OVER THERE. That hangar that your frigate is floating in is capable of housing a capital ship. It's really just an issue of where the models are placed in the hangar, not the actual scale of the ship.

Frankly, I'd love to see what your hulk looks like after being placed in the centre of a hangar designed for a Moros. You'd barely be able to spot it.

This should also be considered beyond the CQ deck view. EVE needs more tools to give players the feeling of scale that's all around them.

While an interesting notion, it presents a bit of a problem.

The size disparity of the ships of EVE is massive. Orders of magnitude in some cases. That hangar you're in has to be able to house everything from tiny shuttles and frigates to giant capital ships. If you set a fixed perspective, you end up with one of two scenarios: either your shuttles and frigates appear as mere specks in the distance somewhere, or your larger ships are so large/close that all you'll be able to see of them is a tiny section of hull plate all up in yo' face.

The current system changes the perspective/scale based on the size of your ship so that it always fits neatly into the screen so you can see it in its entirety. While it may not be the most immersive solution, it makes sense from a gameplay standpoint (being able to quickly and easily identify what your active ship is).

What makes this difficult to do is that our little window into the EVE world isn't three-dimensional. It's a two-dimensional representation of it. It's difficult to give a sense of distance in order to illustrate scale without some kind of size reference for our brain...which is something that would have to change with each size of ship in order to make it look realistic. Otherwise you end up with weird forced perspective stuff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_perspective

Personally I think this is one area where there's no ideal solution. A compromise will have to be made one way or another.

they really should have stuck to a fixed dock area like they had originaly intended to do from the original incarna video posted a good 6 or 7 years ago, insted they have the ship at a fixed distence from your character while in CQ mode.

also while we are at it can we PLEASE move the amarr CQ from the middle of ******* nowhere to the side of the hanger >_>

Exactly what I forgot to add to this post. If we would be able to approach closer to the ship and just be able to walk around under the ship combined with zooming out alot more then this would give us the proper sense of scale. That would be fantastic!

It's a good idea. The scale and positioning of these hugely different sized ships makes no logical sense at all. It was actually set up correctly originally, but unfortunately the forums were flooded with people complaining that they couldnt see their rifters.

I'm afraid we are likely stuck with this nutty perspective.

Fly a noctis up to an orca and look at the disparity.

For perspectie: An America mile is roughly 1600 meters. That means 400 meters is 1/4 of a mile. The Myrmidon is 601 meters tall. That means if you stacked 3 of them on top of one another, they would create a tower over a mile high. For some more perspective, compare the height of the Myrmidon to the World Trade Center, which stood at 417 meters, not counting the antenna spire.

It's hard to get a true sense of scale because, well, the human mind just cannot concieve of things so big.