Jita Park Speakers Corner

Fair enough, to be honest. It is CCP's decision though, they either need to fully allow one vote per account - and make it clear that this is CCP policy, to stop all the "mittens only one because of illegal alt voting" crap, or they need to fully enforce one vote per person. At the minute, it is slightly unclear, as many players seem to think that voting on multiple accounts is somehow an exploit or cheat.

Ugh... the only thing worse than all of the tinfoil is all of the paranoid idiots like you guys hypothesizing ridiculous solutions to problems that don't exist. You seriously think that people were willing to make an account, pay the equivalent of $20-30, and keep it doing nothing for 2 months just to pad a few votes? And even if it did happen, you think it was widespread enough to have any effect whatsoever? AND you think that because they could've done that, it requires new stupid limitations on voting? The main problem is, if they are willing to pay the money to have the account, they are entitled to another vote. Just like alt accounts. How do you draw the line?

TL;DR, Stop being paranoid idiots.

Its not even slightly unclear. Voting on multiple accounts is perfectly legit, its just that some players are idiots and cannot read or comprehend v0v .

Just two points on that, highsec incursions can make 150m ISK per hour, not including LP's.

I think having two accounts is normal in null, more than that is an exception and for the die hards. I do class myself as the average null sec grunt with 2 accounts.

I started this thread hoping that someone from CCP would take interest, look at the numbers, and tell us whether there was any validity to the claims of "fraud". I honestly have no postion on whether it's a problem or not. The TFH crowd got me curious, and I'm the type of person who wants to investigate rather than assume.


Apparently you don't know how it works. I wasn't going to post the following because a lot of people never thought of it, but I suppose it's necessary if we're going to have this conversation.

Unless the buddy program has recently changed, a buddy invite gains you a 21 day trial. Then when they subscribe for a month you have a choice of rewards, one of which is free PLEX. So if you buy a PLEX off the market, use it to subscribe your "buddy" account and then sell the PLEX you get in return, you break even and have a free account for a total of 51 days. This exceeds the 30 day minimum age (unless they are excluding trial periods in that time) and allows people to create free voting alts.

Not many people looking to manipulate the voting process would make more than a handful of these accounts. But if even 200 people were to make four accounts each (which would take less than an hour per player to do all the work involved) then you get 800 votes cast by non-paying accounts.

THAT is why I suggested that the report focus on accounts less than 52 days old. I'd go a step further and even suggest focusing on accounts that have only paid for a single month and were not resubscribed after voting.


I haven't laughed that hard in a while. Thanks.