Warfare & Tactics

If you will always outnumber them, then ECM Blackbirds will take just days to train into and can easily tip the battle in your favour.

If the enemy corp brings 10 ships, and you bring 15 ( 5 BCs and 10 ECM boats) , you should easily be able to keep jams on nearly 100% of the time and easily pick off the enemy one by one.

With a plethora of low-skilled (for PVP) characters, jammers are your best friend.

Also, you could get 40 guys together with cheap destroyers. Arty Thrashers, for example. If you take out a single T3 ship you've won the isk war right there. Do that a couple of times and the war will stop quickly.

But as mentioned above, if you can get some people into Blackbirds (or even Griffins) you can get the upper hand especially if you have more numbers. Have everyone else use ECM drones. It'll be really annoying for them.

They have may started the war, but you don't have to fight it on their terms. : >

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My main is in an alround corp with mostly mission runners. The corp is slightly larger and we probably have a bit more skills, but here's my experience:

We also have similar size corporations wardec us. With 20 members, they will not bring a fleet of more than 5 men most of the time. Often it will just be one or a few of them flying together, going after miners and industrial ships they found with their neutral alts. These guys do not want a real fight or they would have picked a target that is much more likely to give it to them.
Using ECM is smart imo. If you can pull the #'s you can use logistics if the enemy has managed to bring a decent fleet, but in my experience this is rare. Most of the time the main problem is catching them, so you want to make sure you have ships that can lock fast. Once you've got them with the numbers (heavily) in your favor, the rest is easy. I wouldn't go for long or medium range damage. You want them in web/scram range.
Make sure you have some people with neutral alts as well, so you know exactly where they are and what ships they are flying in.

Thanks a lot for your replies! That was really a help for me!
I like the idea of industrialist just need to spend a couple of days to train for Blackbirds to really boost our pvp capabilities.

Problem is if the enemy use Tier 3s snipers.

8 of them can instant pop a scorpion before it even lock. Warp in, kill, warp out.

Catching them is going to be the problem. Probably it can only be done with a log-in/off trap.
But honestly will probably never happen. (sad fact of Hi war.)

Make some overly tanked osprey's or a single drake what ever. Rest stay logged of but in a station in nearby system.

When they enganged use a few inties, warp in, lose the inties but have the drakes and BB's kill and jam.

Ships needed:
Inties
Lots and lots of BB's (use meta 3 eq)
Drakes

A trap ship of some sort.

( I like the destroyer idea... sounds pretty solid if you can jam & hold in position).

1) If you plan on using Drakes, use HAM Drakes, not HML Drakes. Hisec decs are brawls and you'll need the extra DPS. Also, pay attention to the T3s they're using and use the correct ammo. For example, if they're in Proteus, for the love of pete DONT use freakin kinetic. At least a few people should have scrams mixed in with points since hisec fits generally always have MWDs

2) Make sure your logi kites the enemy fleet. Don't have that 0 on the gate or station, they need to be throwing reps at range

3) Regarding ECM, if you bring twice as many blackbirds as they do fleet members, they probably won't fight you. With that being said, if you do bring ECM/ECM drones, use it on their logi. I can't count how many times i've seen people bring ECM to a fight only to jam out the DPS, sure they survive a bit longer than they would have, but they don't actually kill anything and eventually get picked off one by one as their jam cycles miss. USE THE ECM ESPECIALLY EWAR DRONES ON THEIR LOGI!!

4) Optimal range needs to be like 20km and below. Hisec wars generally turn into brawls. You could use a kiting HML Drake setup, pull them off the station or the gate and then have your fast tackle hold point and rain missile spam from 60km, but I doubt you guys have the FC or understanding of the tactic to properly pull that off

5) If you fight them on a gate be patient and make sure they jump into you so you can web/scram them before they get back to the gate. Hisec t3's generally have tons of buffer and they'll just deagress and jump through before you can kill them

6) Logi redocking and undocking to rejoin the fight isn't that big a deal becuase when they undock they're right in everyone's gun range rather than being at the top of the station. With that being said, this is why its best to just use ECM to jam them out. If you're fighting in your home system, don't have your blackbird pilots docked in the main station with the main fleet. Keep them in another station so if you fight them on an undock they can warp to you at range. Also bear in mind that if you jam out a DPS ship, you're automatically deagressing them for 20 seconds for each successful jam cycle so they can just redock and you probably won't kill them. If you keep them permajammed, they'll just dock up or jump through after 3 cycles and their logi will keep them alive until they can jump through. Tracking disruptors for their DPS ships and sensor damps on their logi can be effective. If you fight on a gate, the second their logi goes red light it up and force it through the gate. Since they'll probably be using armor logi and T3's a few target painters will also be useful. Neuts for the logi if you're fighting on a gate will be useful as well

7) Remember, once a logistics ship starts repping a war target and turns red you can shoot at it. DONT shoot at it beforehand. Pay close attention to this one and make sure everyone in your gang understands how this mechanic works. I can't count how many fights i've been in where at least one person goes GCC on a logistic ship by shooting it before it starts repping

8) Logoffski the crap out of them, bait the crap out of them. To the person who mentioned dishonour, there is no honour is losing an entire fleet and then having your corp disband because everyone is so demoralized by the loss. Since they'll probably be using neutral RR anyways, why not cheese them back. If someone backs you down in a dark alley with a knife trying to steal your wallet you kick them in the freakin nads and then pummel the crap out of them. You don't politely ask them to leave you alone, you don't wait for them to throw the first punch. Theres a time for honorable fighting and theres a time for doing whatever it takes (within the EULA) to win

9) Everything I just said may look good on paper, but you need someone to call targets who understands aggression mechanics and ship resistance profiles as well as fighting against logi. The problem i've experienced when going up against non-PVP groups is their terrible target calling and failure to switch primaries after our neutral RR goes red to them. 9 times out of 10 they just go after the shiniest ship on the field. If you have ECM/ECM drones shoot at your primary, once they bring in reps then put your ECM drones and jammers on their reps. The reason neutral RR is so hard to counter has a lot more to do with people's inexperience fighting against logi and inability to adapt to changing battlefield circumstances. They think if they shoot at it it will just dock up and then reundock, so theres no point in shooting at it, but they forget about ECM/neuts completely

10) Their main advantage if their ability to scout you using neuts. You'll need neutral eyes of some sort to keep tabs on them. If theres only 10-15 have everyone in your corp add them to their watchlist so they know how many they have logged on at all times. Try to figure out who their neutral alts are. If you see them two jumps out and theres a Guardian on a gate 1j out, its probably a scout. If you do fight them with their logi have someone print screen on the overview so you know who they are and set them red/watch list them so you can see them coming and know when they're planning something.

Because the SB might shoot at them with torps? Its hisec bro.

Smart Bombs...

first

add the entire corp to contact list. watch them signing off and on

run locates, find out where they hang out what they like to do. are you their only war?


watch them with neutral scouts.


then decide if you are going to actively hunt them (while they are disorganized) or allow them to get organized and bait them in some form.


you need to determine if THEY are using neutral scouts. this will determine how you will go about baiting them.