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Smartbombing Jita undock, bannable?>
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BuzzyBeagle
Centers for Intergalactic Mercantile Acquisition
#1 - 2012-04-02 19:23:16 UTC
if one were to spend 5 or 6 B on disco geddons and play DJ at the 4-4 undock, would CCP get all uppity?
Captain Sunnymuffins
Jita Customs and Excise
#2 - 2012-04-02 19:25:10 UTC
Probably not because you can't smart-bomb it. The docking perimeter in Jita station is huge, and you must be 5,000m outside of this area in order to detonate smart bombs.
BuzzyBeagle
Centers for Intergalactic Mercantile Acquisition
#3 - 2012-04-02 19:26:53 UTC
Captain Sunnymuffins wrote:
Probably not because you can't smart-bomb it. The docking perimeter in Jita station is huge, and you must be 5,000m outside of this area in order to detonate smart bombs.



thx Cpt. Perimeter gate then, [i know cause i got pwned by you at that one]
Klezmer
In Praise Of Shadows
#4 - 2012-04-02 19:28:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Klezmer
Not it is not bannable (and I wouldn't lie about this, besides I would be just as much at risk of a ban for getting you to do things that break EULA or TOS.

So yes, it's fine.

However, feel free to report back with how effective you think this will be once you have your ships in position, "Hh-ha. Oh WOW!"

EDIT: oh damnit someone already told him Twisted
fgft Athonille
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-04-02 19:51:04 UTC
it depends on how the carebear whine works out
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-04-02 19:55:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
the "Fine Print" indicates that its only punnishable if its done for no aparent reason aside from just griefing.


so if you want to make it legit....loot the wrecks.Lol

*no joke*

PS: the idea is whatever your going to do...must have some sort of motivation in doing so...looting the wrecks for makes it legit as your doing something aside from just killing something/someone.

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Klezmer
In Praise Of Shadows
#7 - 2012-04-02 20:22:10 UTC
It's pretty easy to role play motivation.

"CARDALI COMMERS MUST BE CRUCH!!!1111" or "Amarr ammo is golden" in local and you have justified your motivation.
BuzzyBeagle
Centers for Intergalactic Mercantile Acquisition
#8 - 2012-04-02 20:23:26 UTC
"The Love of Disco" is my only motivation.
Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
#9 - 2012-04-02 22:35:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ank Parkor
I have thought of doing this multiple times.

2 questions:
- Sec status will surely drop to -10.0, are you ready for this king of game?
- Is it possible to make 2 cycles? (Would be awesome, lots of pods destroyed)

I just think that doing this will give the -10.0 SS and a destruction after 2 or maybe 3 seconds.
Even if not very effective it could be awesomely fun, especially if you more than 1 BS to destroy the pods of the blown shuttles/rookie ships/frigates.

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Klezmer
In Praise Of Shadows
#10 - 2012-04-02 22:49:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Klezmer
ank mate, this works well on most other high sec stations but since the jita 4-IV undock is such a special case it has a dock radius that is so large that when you position yourself to do any smartbombing on it, you are essentially just sat out in the middle of nowhere and will not have a devestating effect.

However, to cover your questions properly...

Sec status will indeed quickly drop to -10 if you hit enought ships or pods. Certainly if you hit 2+ pods you can probably say goodbye to high-sec access for a while.

Secondly. You can make as many cycles as you are capable of before CONCORD destroy your ship. There is no point in fitting a tank since they basically do a few light hits but when the battleship locks you (might be wrong and its just time based) you are instantly struck for whatever hitpoints you have. The beauty of smartbombs is they dont need you to lock (which concord nullifies immediately) and you can use cap injectors (which concord cannot immediately deal with) to cycle your second and subsequent smartbomb cycles....

basically concord do the folllowing, which im sure someone will come and correct shortly

1. they remove your ability to lock (smartbombs dont need locks)
2. they drain your cap (cap injectors deal with that if you time it right)
3. when the 'main' concord ship arrives, it alpha's you.
4. EDIT: They also scram you so you cant warp.

Hope this is helpful. There are changes to criminal activity incoming but for now this is basically how it works; without discussing any exploits.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-04-03 03:13:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Adacia Calla
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-04-03 03:19:14 UTC
BuzzyBeagle wrote:
if one were to spend 5 or 6 B on disco geddons and play DJ at the 4-4 undock, would CCP get all uppity?

It's happened 1000 times in the past. Nothing has changed in 8 years.

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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-04-03 05:08:26 UTC
i would guess the only way to get banned is to cause significant lag.
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-04-03 21:49:46 UTC
BuzzyBeagle wrote:
if one were to spend 5 or 6 B on disco geddons and play DJ at the 4-4 undock, would CCP get all uppity?

Wait a month and ask the goons.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#15 - 2012-04-03 21:53:27 UTC
What of giving away free ships (as was with an event back in 2009) where there was a "bait ball" of pods and someone just went and smartbombed that?


Or, that mission where you warp into a space that damages your ship while you have to make a run for a gate - someone staged an event there and had a bunch of ships warp in (also a few years ago) and a lot of them popped?





Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Msgerbs
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-04-04 03:27:48 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
the "Fine Print" indicates that its only punnishable if its done for no aparent reason aside from just griefing.


so if you want to make it legit....loot the wrecks.Lol

*no joke*

PS: the idea is whatever your going to do...must have some sort of motivation in doing so...looting the wrecks for makes it legit as your doing something aside from just killing something/someone.

My motivation is the chance of collecting a bounty on somebody who may or not be warping in on my location at the exact time of detonation.
Jesse T Pinkman
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-04-04 23:08:00 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
What of giving away free ships (as was with an event back in 2009) where there was a "bait ball" of pods and someone just went and smartbombed that?


Or, that mission where you warp into a space that damages your ship while you have to make a run for a gate - someone staged an event there and had a bunch of ships warp in (also a few years ago) and a lot of them popped?







that last one was done by the infamous Ashley Sky, there's a video of it around somewhere.
I myself have done a megathron in jita with smart bombs, really hurts the old sec status, back in the day when smart bombs could be set off near stations. Many many people have done that.
kiki mo
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#18 - 2012-04-04 23:17:07 UTC
Msgerbs wrote:
My motivation is the chance of collecting a bounty on somebody who may or not be warping in on my location at the exact time of detonation.


Podlotto!!! soon to start in Jita!!! New Eden is a better place now! come and don't miss out on the fabulous POD LOTTO!!!!

Nab a pod with a bounty and win Win WIN!!!

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Boomhaur
#19 - 2012-04-06 05:48:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Boomhaur
EVERYONE has thought about smartbombing Jita, some of us actually have. So go for it, i personally would switch up the overview to show what types of ships are next to you and wait for an Cov Ops or Interceptor is next to you and detonate. They may be carrying something tasty Twisted I would also throttle the last one to be off by little bit to try to get their pods and also destroy the wrecks so no one would profit from it. As I think it would suck if someone else profited from your work.

It's not bannable, you don't really need a reason besides "I want to". The only times you can get banned in this game is if you exploit the game. Make RL, out of game threats etc, and RMT/BOTs. And if you intentionally grief someone where there is no profit and its just for griefing sake (if their and idiot who keeps trying to mine in a faction fitted whatever and its profitable to suicide gank em, do so until they learn or your not making money off them). And griefing/exploiting/killing noobs in starter systems are a no no, their the only semi safe ones. But other noobs prey on them last I checked so they still get the taste of Eve.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#20 - 2012-04-06 07:53:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
As for motivation, I believe "I wanted to see for myself if it can be done" or "I just wanted to get as many kills as possible at the location inside an hour" and stuff like that count as non-griefing motivation enough. It does not have to be isk gain (or else pretty much all CONCORD-sancitoned wardecs would be bannable ;)), and it does not have to be RP. What the EULA says that you cannot do it on only with the intent to make people cry. If your main motivation is fun explosions for yourself, instead of making other people feel crap, that's enough for CCP.
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