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Death of the Boomerang / GCC Rapid-Orca Unfitting Primer

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#141 - 2012-04-02 17:10:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
I give this guy the fool of the forum award because CCP is reading these forums more than ever and throwing this in front of thier eyes would only draw attention.

Its like let me do something almost illegal in front of cops and lawmakers.
Chances are if it wasnt exactly illegal, it is now.

I vote to keep this guy unbanned.

And let him continue to post every single exploit he finds.

Because this guy is only going to lead the devs on more and more holes to fix behind him.

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Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#142 - 2012-04-02 19:42:21 UTC
Kyshonuba wrote:
[quote=Lelob]Rock on mate!

Ore/Mine production should be done by mining-bots (or item reprocessing) and not by real players.So anybody who shoots "real" miners (not bots) does the game a favour.
The holy knight isnt the concord rescue ship .... its the suicide ganker who is cleaning Eve from lazy playing style.



Who are you to decide what playing style is right and what playing style is wrong? I don't really care whether there are gankers or not, that's beside the point. There's no right style or wrong style, isn't that what a sandbox is supposed to mean?
Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
#143 - 2012-04-02 19:56:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Lone Gunman
Patch notes for EVE Online: Crucible 1.6.3

Released on Tuesday, April 3, 2012.

Fixes

Miscellaneous

•Pilots with a Global Criminal Countdown in high security space will be prevented from warping (if they are in any ship other than a capsule). This is to prevent a tactic declared to be an exploit recently.


I LOL'd
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#144 - 2012-04-02 19:59:06 UTC
HAHAHAHA.

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Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#145 - 2012-04-02 20:01:56 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:


Stupid carebears, answer me this:
You claim that the 'Boomerang' was an 'exploit'.
You claim that GCC-unfitting gankships is an 'exploit'.



COULD be wrong but its CCP thats claiming there was an exploit and it was ruled AS an exploit so whats the question?

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#146 - 2012-04-02 20:05:26 UTC
I never claimed anything was an exploit, CCP did.

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Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#147 - 2012-04-02 20:06:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
Ban Bindy wrote:
Kyshonuba wrote:
Lelob wrote:
Rock on mate!

Ore/Mine production should be done by mining-bots (or item reprocessing) and not by real players.So anybody who shoots "real" miners (not bots) does the game a favour.
The holy knight isnt the concord rescue ship .... its the suicide ganker who is cleaning Eve from lazy playing style.



Who are you to decide what playing style is right and what playing style is wrong? I don't really care whether there are gankers or not, that's beside the point. There's no right style or wrong style, isn't that what a sandbox is supposed to mean?


Ya but

The gankers' playstyle is right too then

See, its like the idea of freedom of religion. Yeah great idea but then youre gonna have all those ones YOU (the theorectical moral standard here not the poster) think are bad that advocate killing small furry animals and doing "evil" and you have to live with them too because to do otherwise is to strip the freedom you put in place beforehand


Nova Fox wrote:
I never claimed anything was an exploit, CCP did.


youre Herr's alt? I was quoting him not you lol

as to the rule... WOW that deserves its own thread to best collect the tears
If there is one PLEASE link it

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Avila Cracko
#148 - 2012-04-02 20:43:03 UTC
Why do some people wants to push miners out of the game??? push them to quit EVE???
whats in it for them?
why do they want to steal money from CCP?

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Zircon Dasher
#149 - 2012-04-02 21:50:59 UTC
1) OP has advocated the use of ganking tactics that will make carebears whine.
2) If carebears whine about a ganking tactic then CCP will listen to them and nerf the tactic.
3) Nerfing ganking tactics makes highsec safer.


So.... the OP is trying to make highsec safer?

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.

Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#150 - 2012-04-02 23:09:36 UTC
"Pilots with a Global Criminal Countdown in high security space will be prevented from warping (if they are in any ship other than a capsule)."

Too far it should only be when concord spawn u cant warp. I jump from low to high now cant warp with gcc. I kill in a belt and have to die there instead of at a safe.
Ch3244
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#151 - 2012-04-03 03:57:12 UTC
because of this i will kill more carebear miners.

Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#152 - 2012-04-03 04:29:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Henry Haphorn
*Henry Haphorn prepares the following message to the OP while doing an impersonation of Severus Snape from Harry Potter*

Hello Mr. Wilkus.

Such a man of your caliber is normally looked up to when it comes to upholding higher standards. Although I do applaud your efforts to live up to the name of the "Tear Extraction And Reclamation Services" under which you seem to operate as of now, I must admit that I am rather disappointed in how far you have fallen from grace. Here in New Eden, every self-respecting pod pilot who specializes in the non-consensual and crude, but highly-effective abdicating of other capsuleers' industrial vessels have always looked to adapt to the rules while making the most of what they have been given while still operating under the strict regulations of the Directive Enforcement Division.

Also, no self-respecting pod pilot would ever stoop to such a low level as to endorse the illegal operations of soulless, mechanical pilots. And since now that you have made it publicly known that you will no longer report bots when you see them and have instead focused on driving out real miners, you have implied that you will do research on who is a "real" miner so as to avoid attacking bots. In addition, you have also admitted to how beneficial you believe they are, thus further implying that you will hope that with the cheap minerals supplied by the bots now that T.E.A.R.S. will no doubt throw you out of their alliance like a rejected bookmark being jetisoned into wormhole space due to your stance on the bot issue... unless, of course, they are in on it as well.

Therefore, I hope you have enjoyed your time here in New Eden. But I can assure you that none will miss you.

Goodbye.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1d1G3QZe1W8/T3p8PvlCkYI/AAAAAAAAB6o/5DYlH-IJ4bA/w373-h559-k/SeverusSnape.jpg

Adapt or Die

Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#153 - 2012-04-03 04:34:33 UTC
man id have thought them changing it so you cant warp with a GCD would cause way more tears

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2012-04-03 04:48:38 UTC
Avila Cracko wrote:
Why do some people wants to push miners out of the game??? push them to quit EVE???
whats in it for them?
why do they want to steal money from CCP?

Everyone hates everybody in this game... even if it means it costs CCP money. (Hell some people even have the nerve to hate CCP while playing their game *cough*goonswarm*cough*)
Altimo
Kitchen Sink Kapitals
#155 - 2012-04-03 04:50:21 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Eh, whats the point of arguing.

CCP GMs want to coddle carebears - even if they have to rewrite their own rules to do it.

I developed the 'Tornado Boomerang' technique shortly after the 'nado was released and I knew it was good - but challenging to do properly and NOT broken. The technique, done right, effectively reversed the effects of the simultaneous 'insurance nerf' that I was seeking to overcome. Used it to my benefit for 3 solid months, killing 635 Exhumers and 1 Orca, solo. Only shared the technique with a few in the ganking community. But I wanted it to see wider use.....

(Disclaimer: Its quite possible that others figured it out independently, but I saw no evidence of that anywhere.)

So I eventually wrote my (immediately locked) primer as a 'test case'. After all, it was merely min-maxing the Tornado into effectiveness by maximizing gank and agility - at the expense of everything else. Wanted to see how CCP would respond to 'innovation' in ganking. They like innovation right? WRONG.

If you discover a good, efficient ganking tactic - you keep it to yourself and tell nobody. Even if it violates no rules, CCP will rewrite the rules based on the 'end result' - not the 'means'. IE: If innovation results in carebears crying, nerfs and rule changes will be incoming. Got it loud and clear, CCP. Thats the last trick I'll openly share with the GMs.

So, where does that leave me?

Tactical Situation:

Case 1. Warping away from a gank.

- This is not an exploit now, and it never was. You are allowed to get your Tornado off-grid to die in a 'safe place'. The Tornado 'drive-by' shooting. This is important if you are dealing with 'white knights' - looking to pod you and/or loot your wreck.

Case 2. Warping repeatedly (with a very agile ship) for 15 minutes until the GCC expires.
- This has always been an exploit, because your ship doesn't die, and I don't know why people are talking about it.

Case 3. Warping away from a gank, and shooting again, then getting caught and exploded.
-This previously was NOT an exploit, but now it is. (because CCP was washed away in Carebear tears, esp. once freighters started going down) Goonswarm had posted videos of doing exactly this, years ago - using about 15 destroyers. Granted, it was not especially common, but it was possible and did happen. It was public knowledge and nobody was banned....because it wasn't considered an exploit because the Tornado did not yet exist.

Further, using the 'fitting service' on your Orca while GCC is STILL LEGAL.
In my experience, this will allow you plenty of time to 'prep your guns' for unfitting.
You can generally save 90-95% of all the mods on a Tornado this way, and it drives the cost of ganking down to the hull price.
Second post will contain a detailed primer.

Strategic Goal:


1. Carebears whined and CCP listened. Why? Because they outnumber us. This needs to be rectified.
2. Ganking miners with Tornados is no a longer profitable endeavor, but can only be done at a loss.
3. Ganking at a loss, I can not match the limitless resources of large botting/RMT operations, so why even try?

Thus: I plan to do my utmost to 'encourage' young mining carebears to quit the game via selective, predatory ganking.
Effective immediately, all operations, reports, and petitions against mining botters will cease. No more 'padding' the KB with my new 'artificial friends'. In my view, mining bots are actually beneficial: They flood the market with minerals/ice and significantly depress 'real miner' earnings.

Resources will now be focused exclusively on hunting 'real' miners. I've found that younger miners are more likely to become discouraged after multiple Exhumer losses and will simply cancel their subscription. This will help achieve the goal of reducing carebear influence over EVE - simply by reducing their numbers.



Oh no you can't kill newbs anymore omg thats so sad.. that's awful......

Your alliance is a piece of crap, if all your accomplishments amount to is killing non-combat ships and newbs trying to learn the game, then you're worthless and you deserve the dirt that you're about to eat. If your going to play a villain at least follow goonswarms example and do it right.

Now you're really about to live up to your name
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#156 - 2012-04-03 07:56:24 UTC
If you want to use a tornado to blow up crappy ships be my guest, but don't get all rowdy when you don't get a profit from it.

Ganking high value targets is quit profitable if the loot gods are with you off course, and so it should. Nobody should be safe ever, not even gankers.

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]

Sardon Darkstar
Omnivores of Mediocrity
Omnivores
#157 - 2012-04-03 08:09:06 UTC
Question: If you'd go out in a stealth bomber, bomb a hisec target, then warp off and cloak, this is considered an exploit and you are possibly banned for it?
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#158 - 2012-04-03 08:19:04 UTC
Sardon Darkstar wrote:
Question: If you'd go out in a stealth bomber, bomb a hisec target, then warp off and cloak, this is considered an exploit and you are possibly banned for it?


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Weapons_guide#Bomb_Launcher
Sardon Darkstar
Omnivores of Mediocrity
Omnivores
#159 - 2012-04-03 08:24:04 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Sardon Darkstar wrote:
Question: If you'd go out in a stealth bomber, bomb a hisec target, then warp off and cloak, this is considered an exploit and you are possibly banned for it?


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Weapons_guide#Bomb_Launcher


Ah, see I've never actually tried it so I didn't know. Thanks!
QU0RRA
Isomorphic Algorithms
#160 - 2012-04-03 09:38:16 UTC
TL:DR - Butthurt ganker wants ganking without risk or loss.

And you have a cheek to call miners and missionrunners carebears...... Lol

Poor little gankbear buhahahahahahaha


Ganking has consequences, deal with it.


1, "Carebears whined and CCP listened". The fact that ganking is still possible and valid shows that this statement is false.

2, "Ganking miners with Tornados is no a longer profitable endeavor". If you want to make a profit, fit a cargo/ship scanner.

3. "Ganking at a loss". see number 2.


"Tear Extraction"? I now dub thee "Gushing tears" Twisted