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Help me understand this suicide gank.

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Aulx-Gao Ekanon
#1 - 2012-04-02 20:54:43 UTC
I was mining with a Retriever while a friend fended off the NPC rats. A destroyer warped into the field and then went all red and blinky and wasted the Retriever. My friend sent a swarm of drones after the destroyer and it self-destructed. We looted and salvaged the wreckage of both ships. The same pilot came back into the field a few minutes later but left quickly (presumably) because Concord had rolled in.

Why did the ganker self-destruct? Had he intended to make ISK off the wreckage I'd already scavenged? Did he blow up my retriever for lulz?

I'm not a piratey sort, so I don't understand what happened here. (Other than me having to buy another Retriever.)

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Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-04-02 22:02:05 UTC
Self destructing a ship takes some time to do, its more likley that he shot at you using a fit that did enough damage to kill you in the few seconds it took for concord to kill him for atacking you illegaly, this the basic idea of a suicide gank.

The 2 most comon reasons for suicide ganking somone

1. you suspect the loot drop to be worth more the the ship needed to kill them before concord kills you.

2. Hulkagedon, a player-run contest where players compete to see how many mining ships they can kill in a set number of days, top scoring pilots receive shiny prizes and often resort to suicide ganking as its quicker then finding a miner who will shoot you.
Aulx-Gao Ekanon
#3 - 2012-04-02 22:10:47 UTC
I may be wrong, but I don't think Concord got him. When the drones started chewing on him these lines of light were shooting out of the ship (no, not his guns) and then he exploded and the drones were destroyed. (I've never seen a self-destruct or a Concord retaliation so I may not know what I'm talking about.)

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Liam Mirren
#4 - 2012-04-02 22:11:18 UTC
It didn't self destruct, CONCORD entered the area and nuked him.

Losing an insured T1 ship with mediocre fittings (which can be gobbled up by an alt, if they drop) isn't very expensive, lets assume he lost about 1 mil in that whole process. So there's several options:

- your drops might be worth more than 1 mil, effectively netting him a profit (although ganking retrievers rarely is done for profit). Also don't forget salvage, especially on stuff like a Hulk or Mackinaw salvage can become quite worthwhile
- he wanted to have some fun and was more than happy to lose 1 mil isk over it
- he had a grudge against you and wanted to harm you

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#5 - 2012-04-02 23:31:40 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:
Losing an insured T1 ship


Insurance no longer pays out if you're concorded.

(does it pay out, if you self destruct, before they get you? 'trigger self destruct, wait till just before it goes, gank something, blow ')

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Liam Mirren
#6 - 2012-04-03 00:15:09 UTC
oh yeah, brain fart. Still, it's not much.

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Aulx-Gao Ekanon
#7 - 2012-04-03 01:23:43 UTC
I don't suppose Concord will pay out for the destroyed drones? Blink

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Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#8 - 2012-04-03 08:07:43 UTC
As his self-destruction is not completely clear, you can check from your game logs.

the entry is literally "[ TIMESTAMP ] (notify) SHIPTYPE belonging to OWNER self-destructs."

by default, logs are found at "/..whichever my documents folder/eve/logs/gamelogs" and are named "YYYYMMDD_HHMMSS".


also, "lines of light that are not guns" that destroy drones sound awfully like a smartbomb which in turn sounds plain weird.

i just locked an open door.. strange, yet symbolically compelling.
Jouron
Hadon Shipping
#9 - 2012-04-03 13:28:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jouron
If the owner of the destroyer also fit smart bombs, which he might have, he used the smart bombs in close proximity to your retriever or he turned them on after he shot you and your friends drones went pop pop.

Concord doesnt Use AOE's like smart bombs as they'd hurt other players uninvolved in what ever crime there intervening in.

Since suicide ganking with smart bombs is a legitimate game mechanic you wont have your drones reimbursed.

What kind of drones were they?

This also might explain the "Rays of light shooting off of his ship"
Aulx-Gao Ekanon
#10 - 2012-04-03 15:32:57 UTC
The drones were hobgoblins. The blinky red bastard destroyed my Retriever with his guns. He exploded after he started taking damage from the hobgoblins.

I'll have to check the game logs too.

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Destan Cloutier
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-04-03 16:40:01 UTC
Sounds very much like someone who thought he was being smart suicide ganking you, or just plainly ganking you, but it went wrong.
Happened to me once as well when I was mining in an industrial. The guy had not chance to even put a dent in my ship before Concord blew him out of the sky. Made me crack up.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#12 - 2012-04-05 13:04:52 UTC
He was concorded.

The reason you saw light coming from no where and destroying him is because you don't have CONCORD setup on your overview.

It was actually CONCORD blasting him to hell.

It takes 2mins to self destruct and it cancels if you warp. There is no way it was a SD.

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