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Autism and EVE Online

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Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-04-02 21:43:34 UTC
Hito-Shura wrote:
I've been playing EVE Online for almost 2 years now. I've had my hand in almost every aspect of EVE during the time I've played it. I was a highsec carebear, running Level 4 missions. I did some time in Nullsec, being part of the blob. I have been a pirate in lowsec, attacking ships ranging from Carriers to their cyno alts, both solo and in a gang. I've even lived in a wormhole for some time. I am a 26 year old male living in Cleveland, Ohio in the USA, graduated from college twice with a BS in Computer Animation and Design with a Masters in Technology, focused on Quality Assurance and Control.

And I have autism. Asperger's Syndrome, to be exact.

Lately, though, I have noticed that there has been an increase in the use of the word autism. Its been somewhat disturbing to me that its been mostly used in a derogatory way. Anyone who is a highsec carebear n00b pubbie is autistic or heck, even when Goons were interdicting Gallente ice, I've noticed talk about 'Using Aspergers to camp the belts for miners'.

And I'm wondering why is this so? Why is being autistic bad all the sudden? Is it the new 'gay' from the 90s? Can someone explain it to me? Is it just EVE Online or is it ranging all the games on the internet?


They found a cure:

Quote:
In May 2013, when the DSM 5 is put into practice, autism spectrum disorders as we know them will change radically, and many people who are now considered to be "autistic" may find themselves with a brand new diagnosis. Unless something changes between now and then, as of 2013, Asperger syndrome will no longer exist as a diagnosis.


remove the disease from the books

Yeah I have/had it too

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-04-02 21:46:16 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
They're probably compensating for some lack in their life.


Living with Asperger's for 16 years (well, parents have at least, I don't remember half of them). Though I don't feel offended when people use the terms in a derogatory sense. Maybe annoyed, a little. Faced worse in school when I was younger, so not much bothers me anymore.



Unfortunately, it has become the ADHD of the 90s. So not many non-physicians take it seriously.



Hey me too; is that whole cant remember the past thing a Asperger's bit or what?

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Ch3244
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-04-02 21:51:27 UTC
i think it's partly cause it seems like another one of the made up diseases

gfldex
#24 - 2012-04-02 21:52:11 UTC
The General Law of Insults (I just made that up btw)

§1 Any term used to describe humans or their behaviour as uncommon will over time be used as an insult.

§2 One does not need to understand the meaning of a term to us it as an insult.

§3 The mental capacity of a human being is indirect proportional to it's likelihood to use insults.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Xenuria
#25 - 2012-04-02 21:59:05 UTC
I have autism, and I am a constant target of ridicule and prejudice, especially by goonswarm and it's leadership.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-04-02 22:03:35 UTC
Hito-Shura wrote:
I've been playing EVE Online for almost 2 years now. I've had my hand in almost every aspect of EVE during the time I've played it. I was a highsec carebear, running Level 4 missions. I did some time in Nullsec, being part of the blob. I have been a pirate in lowsec, attacking ships ranging from Carriers to their cyno alts, both solo and in a gang. I've even lived in a wormhole for some time. I am a 26 year old male living in Cleveland, Ohio in the USA, graduated from college twice with a BS in Computer Animation and Design with a Masters in Technology, focused on Quality Assurance and Control.

And I have autism. Asperger's Syndrome, to be exact.

Lately, though, I have noticed that there has been an increase in the use of the word autism. Its been somewhat disturbing to me that its been mostly used in a derogatory way. Anyone who is a highsec carebear n00b pubbie is autistic or heck, even when Goons were interdicting Gallente ice, I've noticed talk about 'Using Aspergers to camp the belts for miners'.

And I'm wondering why is this so? Why is being autistic bad all the sudden? Is it the new 'gay' from the 90s? Can someone explain it to me? Is it just EVE Online or is it ranging all the games on the internet?


The Thimerosal kids are entering adulthood.. As they enter adult society, the ability of even Americans, normally Titans of Malevolent Neglect, to ignore the problem is being strained to it's bleeding limit.

They already have to ignore so much. Reality is bleeding through. Mind you, they will still refuse to do anything, especially anything positive, but they can still perceive the problem. No matter how hard they try not to.

Don't worry though, they will still change nothing, no matter what the cost. The controls are locked and they are prepared to destroy anyone who attempts to change their nations course.

Feel free to think I'm as Mad as a Hatter if you want.

Of course, I know why hatters went mad, so the joke would rather be on you, not me.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#27 - 2012-04-02 22:05:57 UTC
Those who do really deal with Asperger's every day have my sympathy. I grew up with ADHD, but wasn't diagnosed until the age of 28. I'm well aware of how often ADD is used as an excuse or an armchair diagnosis for someone's behavior.Given the rise in diagnoses and the growing sentiment that Asperger's is about to become the new ADHD, I'm not surprised if "autistic" has become the new "re.tarded".

it seems like anyone who acts like a douche in public is labelled Aspie, and accusing someone of having Asperger's is a "gentle" way of saying they're scumbags who don't care about other people. The irony is the person accusing someone else of having it is displaying a remarkable lack of empathy for those who actually DO have it.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Frying Doom
#28 - 2012-04-02 22:06:20 UTC
Maybe we are just getting to the point where civilization takes over. Personally I don't see the need to pick on people for race, sex, religion or disability or use them as a joke. Maybe it's just time people suck it up and act like they belong to the 21st century rather than using this game as a crutch for their own inadequacies. This is a GAME and should be fun for everyone. No one should have their differences used as a joke or slur.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-04-02 22:18:15 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
I have autism, and I am a constant target of ridicule and prejudice, especially by goonswarm and it's leadership.


So the fact of your tag or that you put your self out there has nothing to do with it?

You don't by your own admission fly under the radar.
Jita Alt666
#30 - 2012-04-02 22:18:46 UTC
Pot Kettle Black

It's not offensive for a black american to call others "my ******" is it?
Zircon Dasher
#31 - 2012-04-02 22:23:39 UTC
A Sperger

Or

Asperger

Could not decide.

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.

Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-04-02 22:25:31 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Man are we scraping the barrel or what with all this pc stuff. Not so sure about this one though. I've seen our wonderful starred word ******** used often but autistic? Really?
If anything more often than not I see the autistic people using their autism as a crutch (both in game and out), and when I say autistic people I really mean specifically the Asperger crowd. I've come to liken them to the ADHD's, who back in the 90's appeared to be every 1 out of 2 people. In fact I did a little research on Aspergers recently as I've been hearing the term more and more and it turns out that it and ADHD has quite an abundance of similar symptoms. Now I can't help but wonder if Aspergers is the new craze for Doctors who want to drug you with something new and expensive.

Fun Fact, aspergers is often misdiagnosed because most doctors dont care enough to diagnose anymore (had a brother who was diagnosed with eevrything rom ADHD to some weird-ass form of autism and aroudn 30 other things over the eyars, they eventually just settled with hes weird, normal but weird)

most people who truly have asbergers are characterized (in more milder cases) with a fear/resistance to being around others,a dn an absolute hatred/distaste for human interaction, they generally exhibit an aptitude for numbers and science, remembering facts and formulas very easily, but having trouble with things such as names and faces.

In myc ase as a kid, i learned reading very early, was into college-level astronomy and cience by 3rd grade, reacted VIOLENTLY to face-to-face interaction with others, and was unable to express any kind of emotion for years. 9 eyars alter, i still have trouble with emotion, but i can read people a little better (still ahve trouble with telling when soemone is joking when they say soemthing if im not looking at them).

though aspergers has several identifying characteristics, the reason it is so widely diagnosed now is that it cn manifest in many levels, some aspects ebing severe, others not.

In my town there are even alot of computer programming and development agencies, one even specializing in internet-security, who hire almost exclusively asbergers teens and young adults, sicne they take to coding and monitoring data-streams easier then other people.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-04-02 22:27:37 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
I have autism, and I am a constant target of ridicule and prejudice, especially by goonswarm and it's leadership.

your a constant target for alot fo things,a dn i can tell you ight now its not because your autistic (hint hint, even autistic people such as I and ahlf the internet make fun of you)
Son IamaDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-04-02 22:34:31 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Hito-Shura wrote:
I've been playing EVE Online for almost 2 years now. I've had my hand in almost every aspect of EVE during the time I've played it. I was a highsec carebear, running Level 4 missions. I did some time in Nullsec, being part of the blob. I have been a pirate in lowsec, attacking ships ranging from Carriers to their cyno alts, both solo and in a gang. I've even lived in a wormhole for some time. I am a 26 year old male living in Cleveland, Ohio in the USA, graduated from college twice with a BS in Computer Animation and Design with a Masters in Technology, focused on Quality Assurance and Control.

And I have autism. Asperger's Syndrome, to be exact.

Lately, though, I have noticed that there has been an increase in the use of the word autism. Its been somewhat disturbing to me that its been mostly used in a derogatory way. Anyone who is a highsec carebear n00b pubbie is autistic or heck, even when Goons were interdicting Gallente ice, I've noticed talk about 'Using Aspergers to camp the belts for miners'.

And I'm wondering why is this so? Why is being autistic bad all the sudden? Is it the new 'gay' from the 90s? Can someone explain it to me? Is it just EVE Online or is it ranging all the games on the internet?


They found a cure:

Quote:
In May 2013, when the DSM 5 is put into practice, autism spectrum disorders as we know them will change radically, and many people who are now considered to be "autistic" may find themselves with a brand new diagnosis. Unless something changes between now and then, as of 2013, Asperger syndrome will no longer exist as a diagnosis.


remove the disease from the booksYeah I have/had it too
Not really, it's simply being merged in the DSM-V in a blanket diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorder where it'd be classified as severe, moderate, or mild. Asperger's syndrome will still exists, just not the name for the most part. Though likely the name still will be used in Dx of patients, much like in diabetes mellitus type 1 still gets referred to as "juvenile diabetes."
Son IamaDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-04-02 22:43:12 UTC
Also for the hell of it, Asperger test
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#36 - 2012-04-02 23:05:20 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:

Fun Fact, aspergers is often misdiagnosed because most doctors dont care enough to diagnose anymore (had a brother who was diagnosed with eevrything rom ADHD to some weird-ass form of autism and aroudn 30 other things over the eyars, they eventually just settled with hes weird, normal but weird)

most people who truly have asbergers are characterized (in more milder cases) with a fear/resistance to being around others,a dn an absolute hatred/distaste for human interaction, they generally exhibit an aptitude for numbers and science, remembering facts and formulas very easily, but having trouble with things such as names and faces.

In myc ase as a kid, i learned reading very early, was into college-level astronomy and cience by 3rd grade, reacted VIOLENTLY to face-to-face interaction with others, and was unable to express any kind of emotion for years. 9 eyars alter, i still have trouble with emotion, but i can read people a little better (still ahve trouble with telling when soemone is joking when they say soemthing if im not looking at them).

though aspergers has several identifying characteristics, the reason it is so widely diagnosed now is that it cn manifest in many levels, some aspects ebing severe, others not.

In my town there are even alot of computer programming and development agencies, one even specializing in internet-security, who hire almost exclusively asbergers teens and young adults, sicne they take to coding and monitoring data-streams easier then other people.



Well hell, you just described me with the exception of the numbers. I got C's on my last few math classes but it required a ton of notes, tutor's, and hopeful guesses. I live far away from everybody. Don't like going out much. Don't even like to leave my lab if I can help it. But I just attributed all that to a ****** childhood in jr and high school. I just chalk it all up to being a self proclaimed introvert.
I'm a ADD diagnosed person though. At least that is what they told my parents when I was around 13. Parents also tell me I was hell to get talking, used to just grunt for everything. Put me on the Ritalin for several years and turned me into a zombie. Father remove me from it because he didn't like what it did. I have a tendency to space out a lot, especially during meetings, but I've gotten much better at it over the years.
I'm also a bit of a believer that Aspergers is the syndrome of the decade. Couldn't imagine a room full of these guys, all sitting there hating to be next to each other.

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Hito-Shura
Caldari Fire Demons University
#37 - 2012-04-02 23:10:33 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:

Fun Fact, aspergers is often misdiagnosed because most doctors dont care enough to diagnose anymore (had a brother who was diagnosed with eevrything rom ADHD to some weird-ass form of autism and aroudn 30 other things over the eyars, they eventually just settled with hes weird, normal but weird)

most people who truly have asbergers are characterized (in more milder cases) with a fear/resistance to being around others,a dn an absolute hatred/distaste for human interaction, they generally exhibit an aptitude for numbers and science, remembering facts and formulas very easily, but having trouble with things such as names and faces.

In myc ase as a kid, i learned reading very early, was into college-level astronomy and cience by 3rd grade, reacted VIOLENTLY to face-to-face interaction with others, and was unable to express any kind of emotion for years. 9 eyars alter, i still have trouble with emotion, but i can read people a little better (still ahve trouble with telling when soemone is joking when they say soemthing if im not looking at them).

though aspergers has several identifying characteristics, the reason it is so widely diagnosed now is that it cn manifest in many levels, some aspects ebing severe, others not.

In my town there are even alot of computer programming and development agencies, one even specializing in internet-security, who hire almost exclusively asbergers teens and young adults, sicne they take to coding and monitoring data-streams easier then other people.



Well hell, you just described me with the exception of the numbers. I got C's on my last few math classes but it required a ton of notes, tutor's, and hopeful guesses. I live far away from everybody. Don't like going out much. Don't even like to leave my lab if I can help it. But I just attributed all that to a ****** childhood in jr and high school. I just chalk it all up to being a self proclaimed introvert.
I'm a ADD diagnosed person though. At least that is what they told my parents when I was around 13. Parents also tell me I was hell to get talking, used to just grunt for everything. Put me on the Ritalin for several years and turned me into a zombie. Father remove me from it because he didn't like what it did. I have a tendency to space out a lot, especially during meetings, but I've gotten much better at it over the years.
I'm also a bit of a believer that Aspergers is the syndrome of the decade. Couldn't imagine a room full of these guys, all sitting there hating to be next to each other.


That sounds a lot like me as well. I was very solitary in high school and just the same when I was in college. I didn't do so well in my last math classes but I did excel in my animation classes which did take some form of math, of course.

Heck, I was asked to actually be part of a medical research group that had a bunch of people with Asperger's join together and talk for research. I was made to go by my parents.

The group failed, however, since I was the only one to go. The others didn't come. I wonder why....
Aldeskwatso
Primus Societas
Crimson Interstellar Alliance
#38 - 2012-04-02 23:26:26 UTC
Autism or conditions that fall into the autistic spectrum are being over diagnosed by ****** psychologists who somehow feel a need to impress there fellow alumni by rewriting the psychologist "bible" (used by every psychologist to classify and determin a diagnosis). They do this by further breaking down the criteria into smaller groups and coming up with new names for these conditions. This creates conditions that almost apply to everyone and in theory you could then say that everyone has a condition withing the autistic spectrum. And that creates the distorted image of people thinking that one simply just has autism while that is just not the case. But methylfenidate and resperdal are still prescribed because psychologists keep in business that way.

You guys should know how schitzophrenia is categorised and diagnosed... everyone in some point of their lifes is a schitzophrenic and thus runs the risk to slip into a psychosis requiring medication for the rest of your life.

...it's rediculous really

The biggest obstacle you'll encounter doing anything is yourself.

Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-04-02 23:42:21 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:


most people who truly have asbergers are characterized (in more milder cases) with a fear/resistance to being around others,a dn an absolute hatred/distaste for human interaction, they generally exhibit an aptitude for numbers and science, remembering facts and formulas very easily, but having trouble with things such as names and faces.


wonder why we'd be drawn to THIS game lol

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Raiz Nhell
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-04-02 23:45:54 UTC
I to have aspergers... I don't think of it as a sickness, its just a name for how I am...

And EVE gives my aspergers something to do when I'm bored...
Otherwise the lawnmower/blender/mixmaster/coffeee machine would be in little pieces, so I can see how it works :)

As for prejudice... it for the stupid and uneducated, remember that and when it happens, smile and keep on trucking :)

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.