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Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#21 - 2012-04-02 20:24:08 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Does this count the capsule? Are the capsules of gankers gonna be stuck on the grid to the indies can then get in a noob ship, go back an kill them?


Can you read?


GM Homonoia wrote:
My Neutral Toon wrote:
You can still get away from them if you move fast enough and dont stop moving.

But you have to be really fast, destroyer hull or below. Otherwise you probably wont make it.


Note that it is also a (seperate) exploit to avoid being destroyed by CONCORD in high sec when you gain a GCC



can you? I dont understand why ppl QQ over this. that statement's pretty damned clear to me


why did you put those 2 quoptes together? they're not connected at all. Like Marlona I also think you need to go back to class and learn to read. Because you're just embarrassing yourself about now.

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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#22 - 2012-04-02 20:36:50 UTC
Lauren Hellfury wrote:


why did you put those 2 quoptes together? they're not connected at all. Like Marlona I also think you need to go back to class and learn to read. Because you're just embarrassing yourself about now.


He doesn't understand a lot, he's just slow.

-No, Capsules are not effected.
-GM Homo quote about the (separate) exploit refers to: 'warping for 15 minutes until GCC expired, avoiding ship destruction', not the 'boomerang' where the ship is destroyed.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#23 - 2012-04-02 20:38:47 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
so wait.... if you have -10 you can't suicide gank now????


HAHAHA. Disappointed?
Your 2" willy must have moved a little while you wrote that, before reality sunk in.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-04-02 20:46:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Lauren Hellfury wrote:


why did you put those 2 quoptes together? they're not connected at all. Like Marlona I also think you need to go back to class and learn to read. Because you're just embarrassing yourself about now.


He doesn't understand a lot, he's just slow.

-No, Capsules are not effected.
-GM Homo quote about the (separate) exploit refers to: 'warping for 15 minutes until GCC expired, avoiding ship destruction', not the 'boomerang' where the ship is destroyed.


no...

says pretty clearly to me that avoiding CONCORD is an exploit

I sent a mail to that GM asking for a clarification, so if I get a reply, we'll see

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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#25 - 2012-04-02 21:30:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Wilkus
Richard Hammond II wrote:


I sent a mail to that GM asking for a clarification, so if I get a reply, we'll see


‘If you gain a Global Criminal Countdown by committing an illegal action in high security space, it is considered an exploit to attack a target after you warp away from the grid, or warp within the same grid, where you gained that GCC; even if you later return to that grid while still affected by that GCC.

Read it closely.
If you are GCC, it is considered an exploit....
"to attack a target after you warp away from the grid....."

It doesn't say that warping away from the grid was an exploit - but attacking another ship after warping is.

Now the second quote from the GM:

"Note that it is also a (seperate) exploit to avoid being destroyed by CONCORD in high sec when you gain a GCC"

Boomeranging never allowed anyone to 'avoid being destroyed', and thus, was not applicable.

Anyway, its all meaningless now, as the 'software fix' is in.

Warping after a gank wasn't an exploit, but they patched it out anyway. (probably because its much easier to prevent a warp, than programming a fix that prevents someone from shooting afterwards.)

Still for gankers - it sucks to be A) be locked in place for 15-20 seconds (no warp) and B) locked into your ship (no ejecting to escape) - if you want to avoid getting podded by randoms.
Ch3244
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-04-02 22:00:55 UTC
There will be blood for this!
Noriko Mai
#27 - 2012-04-02 22:13:02 UTC
Why is the patchlog upside down? Sad

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Spurty
#28 - 2012-04-03 11:02:52 UTC
Being podded for going GCC still possible?

Last time I tried I got the old warning message up about aggression high sec.

Sucks less to lose a pod than an entire fitted ship so really shaddup already you whiny Forum
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Thomas Gallant
Quafe Company Courier Shipping
#29 - 2012-04-03 11:26:07 UTC
As far as I can tell, they made it so if you suicide gank, you must lose your ship( or at least that's the intent), once you are in your pod, things are no different than they ever were before.

Am I reading that right?
Sugar Von MurdererTits
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#30 - 2012-04-03 13:17:56 UTC
I've never suicide ganked anyone so could someone please clarify this?

Say you suicide gank a miner or whatever. Under the new mechanics you can't warp off at all; you must wait there until concord blows up your ship. Once your ship is destroyed you may warp off in your capsule. However, if you get another ship while still under GCC you're stuck. You need to wait 15 minutes until the GCC is over before you may warp anywhere. Do I understand correctly? Or does the GCC expire as soon as you're concorded?

Either way, it seems like a bit of a sledgehammer fix to me. I am disappointed that CCP seem to be taking further steps to discourage 'grief play' in Eve. I'm not a griefer myself but I like the relative freedom that players seem to have in this game and I would hate to lose that so soon after I started playing.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-04-03 13:21:28 UTC
nothing has changed other than not being able to warp away with a GCC

it just means that you cant warp to and from a target evading concord until you are 'ready to die', like the boomerang tactic.

I also wonder what will happen when you undock in a ship with a GCC

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Alxea
Unstable Pirate Sharks Of The Damed Sea
#32 - 2012-04-03 13:30:45 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:


I sent a mail to that GM asking for a clarification, so if I get a reply, we'll see


‘If you gain a Global Criminal Countdown by committing an illegal action in high security space, it is considered an exploit to attack a target after you warp away from the grid, or warp within the same grid, where you gained that GCC; even if you later return to that grid while still affected by that GCC.

Read it closely.
If you are GCC, it is considered an exploit....
"to attack a target after you warp away from the grid....."

It doesn't say that warping away from the grid was an exploit - but attacking another ship after warping is.

Now the second quote from the GM:

"Note that it is also a (seperate) exploit to avoid being destroyed by CONCORD in high sec when you gain a GCC"

Boomeranging never allowed anyone to 'avoid being destroyed', and thus, was not applicable.

Anyway, its all meaningless now, as the 'software fix' is in.

Warping after a gank wasn't an exploit, but they patched it out anyway. (probably because its much easier to prevent a warp, than programming a fix that prevents someone from shooting afterwards.)

Still for gankers - it sucks to be A) be locked in place for 15-20 seconds (no warp) and B) locked into your ship (no ejecting to escape) - if you want to avoid getting podded by randoms.


Just before you blow up, select a station or something you can warp away to, then spam the warp button and you will insta warp if there is no lag between appearing from your ship and into a pod.
Janet Patton
Brony Express
#33 - 2012-04-03 13:56:17 UTC
Sugar Von MurdererTits wrote:
I've never suicide ganked anyone so could someone please clarify this?

Say you suicide gank a miner or whatever. Under the new mechanics you can't warp off at all; you must wait there until concord blows up your ship. Once your ship is destroyed you may warp off in your capsule. However, if you get another ship while still under GCC you're stuck. You need to wait 15 minutes until the GCC is over before you may warp anywhere. Do I understand correctly? Or does the GCC expire as soon as you're concorded?

Either way, it seems like a bit of a sledgehammer fix to me. I am disappointed that CCP seem to be taking further steps to discourage 'grief play' in Eve. I'm not a griefer myself but I like the relative freedom that players seem to have in this game and I would hate to lose that so soon after I started playing.


I think what you said is exactly right about the new mechanic.

I do agree that what has made EVE so great is its freedoms. The problem is people have been EXPLOITING that freedom way beyond its intended purpose, so something had to be done imo. If people didn't abuse the freedoms we have in EVE so much, none of these fixes would have come to been.

The lesson should be - Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should... EXCESSIVELY.

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Khimi Harar
#34 - 2012-04-03 14:13:35 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Does this count the capsule? Are the capsules of gankers gonna be stuck on the grid to the indies can then get in a noob ship, go back an kill them?


If those noobie miners want to be -10.

But no, it doesn't apply to pods.


Wouldn't want the gankers to start crying now would we.

I am a big supporter of GCC and killrights being made podable offenses. I do find the not warping a bit over the top but lets hope they'll find a more elegant solution to the problem or at least a nice explaining text that says that concord actions have incapacitated your warp drive.

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Damion Rayne
Panoptic
#35 - 2012-04-03 14:43:06 UTC
OH THE TEARS OF THE POOR POOR PIWATES!!! You can't suicide gank anymore? OH NOES!! CCP IS SOOOO EVIL!!!!!

Shut the hell up you whiny, entitled little children. Everything you were doing with suicide ganking was because you were cowards, and exploiters. Good job CCP, you made the poor little high sec s-gankers cry like little children because they can't do what they want anymore. I'm proud of you.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-04-03 16:16:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ris Dnalor
Damion Rayne wrote:
OH THE TEARS OF THE POOR POOR PIWATES!!! You can't suicide gank anymore? OH NOES!! CCP IS SOOOO EVIL!!!!!

Shut the hell up you whiny, entitled little children. Everything you were doing with suicide ganking was because you were cowards, and exploiters. Good job CCP, you made the poor little high sec s-gankers cry like little children because they can't do what they want anymore. I'm proud of you.



I've read the thread, and the patch notes, but I still have some questions.


From what I understand, if you have GCC and are in a ship, you can't warp? For how long? The entire 15 minutes? So you can't dock or warp to a safe spot and get a new ship while still in GCC?


If so that's ridiculous.


If I wanted to lose 15 ships in 15 minutes and only killed 15 targets and faithfully lost all 15 of my ships to concord in return, wtf is so wrong with that? If I am reading this right, ( which I hope someone tells me I'm not ), then you effectively limit suicide ganking to 1 kill / 15 minutes. and in reality with setup time you're talking more like 1 / 20 minutes.

If this is true, then you're placing a severe time restriction on folks.


Also, does anyone know if anything changed in low sec or if the changes were completely limited to hi sec?

thanks.

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Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-04-04 10:37:09 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:
Also, does anyone know if anything changed in low sec or if the changes were completely limited to hi sec?
thanks.


lol accidental losec nerf would be hilarious

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