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Patch change for GCC / Warp Prevention GM Clarification needed, Major Lowsec impact.

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Adian Grey
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-04-02 18:47:41 UTC
So the patch notes say that anyone with a GCC in highsec will be prevented from warping. This is in response to people abusing the "boomerang" tactic for ganking on gates while avoiding Concord. Need to have the following clarified as this impact all lowsec pilots who engage in combat

What if the GCC is not a result of Highsec actions? Namely a lowsec person engages in combat in lowsec. There are many systems that have 0.5 islands lowsec people travel through with active GCC's This is a gate to gate jump only, no GCC from highsec actions. We are NOT breaking the Concord laws, yet we are now going to be punished for something we did not do?

If this is the case CCP needs to change the mechanic to a scram on GCC, not a global GCC rule. If CCP wishes this to affect all GCC enabled people, they need to clarify the changes.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#2 - 2012-04-02 18:49:43 UTC
Interesting question I hope low sec isnt effected by this.

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gfldex
#3 - 2012-04-02 19:07:56 UTC
If you got a GCC and jump into highsec you got CONCORD after you and can't dock nor jump via stargate or WH right now. You are not allowed to escape CONCORD either. So what exactly do you expect to change with the next patch?

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#4 - 2012-04-02 19:25:16 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Interesting question I hope low sec isnt effected by this.

It's not. It's just made to plug yet another hole in CONCORD's security. Incompetent cops that they are.

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Adian Grey
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-04-02 19:55:32 UTC
gfldex wrote:
If you got a GCC and jump into highsec you got CONCORD after you and can't dock nor jump via stargate or WH right now. You are not allowed to escape CONCORD either. So what exactly do you expect to change with the next patch?


You can have a GCC and burn through 0.5 systems and back into another lowsec system without Concord getting you. They follow the same rules as the spawn timers for acts committed in Highsec, but the GCC itself was not obtained in highsec. This patch is specific to people in highsec getting a GCC that will likely have unintended consequences.

If said GCC flagged person engages in criminal activity while in highsec, then thats fine. The GCC gets refreshed, they get scramed or whatever, and the Concord Death Ray blows them up.

And what about people that jump into Highsec, get their GCC, get blown up per Concord, go back into where ever they came form and re enter the system? Do they get Concorded again? They were already blown up for the first act they committed.

My other major concern is if you jump into Highsec with a neg sec status you get a criminal flag to the local police. You lose the ability to cloak and a few other draw backs, but you can still warp through. CCP being what it is, I fully expect them to get this wrong and have -5 and lower people scarmmed for simply passing through.

Again this has an impact on people that are career criminals, know the consequences, and willingly accept the punishment. CCP's change of this mechanic to any GCC no matter what has a direct impact on those that follow the rules and play in the sandbox.
gfldex
#6 - 2012-04-02 20:08:45 UTC
Adian Grey wrote:
You can have a GCC and burn through 0.5 systems and back into another lowsec system without Concord getting you. They follow the same rules as the spawn timers for acts committed in Highsec, but the GCC itself was not obtained in highsec. This patch is specific to people in highsec getting a GCC that will likely have unintended consequences.


Did you ask a GM recently if they are fine with that? Because it could very well be one of those cases that they overlooked.

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Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-04-02 20:14:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
Does this count the capsule? Are the capsules of gankers gonna be stuck on the grid to the indies can then get in a noob ship, go back an kill them?

Adian Grey wrote:

You can have a GCC and burn through 0.5 systems and back into another lowsec system without Concord getting you.


Given that avoiding CONCORD is ITSELF an exploit as they said in the thread I dont see the issue

edit wrong thread

right thread

GM Homonoia wrote:
My Neutral Toon wrote:
You can still get away from them if you move fast enough and dont stop moving.

But you have to be really fast, destroyer hull or below. Otherwise you probably wont make it.


Note that it is also a (seperate) exploit to avoid being destroyed by CONCORD in high sec when you gain a GCC



how is this hard to understand?

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Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-04-02 20:16:18 UTC
damn no delete button

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Lauren Hellfury
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#9 - 2012-04-02 20:21:12 UTC
lrn2gcc?

Even if the patch notes didn't specifically exclude capsules you'd still be wrong.

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Mashie Saldana
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#10 - 2012-04-02 20:22:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Mashie Saldana
Never mind, you hit edit the same second I hit quote.

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Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-04-02 20:23:56 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Never mind, you hit edit the same second I hit quote.


ya both threads pretty much have the same title -.-

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Adian Grey
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-04-02 20:52:34 UTC
Since people cannot read...

Attacking someone in Highsec = GCC, Concord

Attacking someine in Lowsec = GCC, No Concord

What happens with the person with a GCC gained through actions outside of Highsec goes through Highsec is the base question. This also affects a number of mechanics currently used by pirates and bad people. Getting the GCC in Highsec is the exploit they are fixing. There is no exploit from getting a GCC in lowsec.
Ravenesa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-04-02 23:11:52 UTC
Rather curious about this one. I'm one of those lowsec people who buzzes highsec once in a while with a GCC
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#14 - 2012-04-02 23:20:15 UTC
If you have GCC and jump into hisec, you will be concorded. Avoiding/evading Concord is an exploit. That is all.

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Ravenesa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-04-03 04:00:51 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
If you have GCC and jump into hisec, you will be concorded. Avoiding/evading Concord is an exploit. That is all.


Attacking someone in lowsec is not a Concordable offense.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-04-03 04:05:02 UTC
Ravenesa wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
If you have GCC and jump into hisec, you will be concorded. Avoiding/evading Concord is an exploit. That is all.


Attacking someone in lowsec is not a Concordable offense.


Flying in HS with GCC is though, or did that escape you? Blink

The understanding therefore based on the GM arbitration is that by jumping gates you avoid Concord against the understood rulings you can't avoid Concord under any conditions.

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Adian Grey
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-04-03 13:14:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Adian Grey
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Ravenesa wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
If you have GCC and jump into hisec, you will be concorded. Avoiding/evading Concord is an exploit. That is all.


Attacking someone in lowsec is not a Concordable offense.


Flying in HS with GCC is though, or did that escape you? Blink

The understanding therefore based on the GM arbitration is that by jumping gates you avoid Concord against the understood rulings you can't avoid Concord under any conditions.


So jumping into Highsec is a Concordable offense now? Even though you have done nothing to warrent the Concord attack?
Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
#18 - 2012-04-03 13:16:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ninyania alCladdyth
Sounds like fun...

I can sit on a LS--->HS gate in my overtanked Orca, wait for someone to shoot at me, jump through and hope they follow, then loot their CONCORDOKKEN!!! wrecked ship with impunity!!

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Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
#19 - 2012-04-03 13:17:07 UTC
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Adian Grey
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-04-03 15:31:22 UTC
Just tested it out, you get a new warning when jumping into Highsec, the faction police attack you, but no Concord. You are not allowed to dock or use a jump gate.

Once the GCC clears and you are under the yellow crimial tag you normally get for entering you are fine.

Will have to test from setups and tricks for ganking highsec people, miners in particular.
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