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What type of damage should I fit against to get through lowsec smartbomb gatecamps?
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Stahlman Petersen
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-04-02 19:48:07 UTC
In my T1 industrial going through lowsec (using the cloak/MWD trick) and went through a smartbombing BS gatecamping. Don't remember the system. Rancer, maybe? It was a single ship and only knocked me down to 20% armor before I was through and at the gate.

Scared the bejezus out of me, though. I didn't have any sort of tank at all since I figured that if I ever screwed the pooch with the cloak and got targeted I was dead meat anyway. I've now learned about smartbomb gatecamps and have decided to shore up my defense as best as I can.

So with my fit I have 4 open midslots and virtually no powergrid left. I can fit small shield extenders and shield hardeners, basically.

Toying around on EFT Small shield extender x2 plus 2 shield hardeners seemed to be the best compromise, but for what damage? Right now I've settled on EM and thermal, but that's just a wild guess.

If anyone has any advice, I'd appreciate it.

For reference, here is my Poor Man's Prowler:


[Mammoth, StealthShip2]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Small Shield Extender II
Small Shield Extender II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II

Note: I think my EFT is out of date. the amplfiers must have been renamed or something.

Improved Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Greg Valanti
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-04-02 19:52:37 UTC
Smart bombs can deal any particular damage type - so if you're not sure, best to fit an omni buffer and patch your biggest hole.
Stahlman Petersen
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-04-02 19:56:07 UTC
Greg Valanti wrote:
Smart bombs can deal any particular damage type - so if you're not sure, best to fit an omni buffer and patch your biggest hole.


Yeah, but I was wondering if there is some standard type of smartbomb that gatecampers use.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#4 - 2012-04-02 19:56:44 UTC
What Greg said. There is no agreed-upon damage type for smartbombs. It just comes down to what color explosions the camper wants to see.

Your tank there looks fine. It will get you past a single smartbomb battleship. Any more than that, though, and you're screwed. Scouting is important, as is using your directional scanner to make sure you're not warping into a bunch of smartbomb battleships.

Props for deciding to learn from the encounter, though. Seriously.
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Adacia Calla
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-04-03 01:25:16 UTC
In 6 years I've yet to lose one on this toon or my alt. Carry Nanofibers for when you're empty etc.

[Mammoth, Standard]
Damage Control II
Warp Core Stabilizer II
Warp Core Stabilizer II
Warp Core Stabilizer II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
EM Ward Amplifier II

Improved Cloaking Device II
Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I

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Dietrich III
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-04-03 03:58:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Dietrich III
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't CCP change smartbomb mechanics a few months ago? You can't even smartbomb within 5km of a gate anymore, or on ANY station undock (not just Jita 4-4 anymore). Also you have a delay before you can even fire off a smartbomb after decloaking now too. Thanks for taking all the fun out of smartbombs CCP. Roll
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#7 - 2012-04-03 05:57:04 UTC
Adacia Calla wrote:
In 6 years I've yet to lose one on this toon or my alt. Carry Nanofibers for when you're empty etc.

[Mammoth, Standard]
Damage Control II
Warp Core Stabilizer II
Warp Core Stabilizer II
Warp Core Stabilizer II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
EM Ward Amplifier II

Improved Cloaking Device II
Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I


I knew hictors were badly implemented to begin with but the fact that this mosntrosity survived as long as you claim still amazes me...

As to OP look at what Dietrich II says. Because of that poor disco phoons now have to sit towards your incoming and 5km+ aways from the gate. Essentially only viable to get ceptor kills wtc... Still if you want to be on the safe side simply warp to the gate (in the worst of systems) from a point other than your usual incoming to avoid his radius..

Sniper BMs 200 above below gates work wonders though for your purposes any celectial changing the incoming approach say over 30 degrees should work fine...
Khorin D'tael
D'tael Contracts
#8 - 2012-04-03 09:51:52 UTC
Dietrich III wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't CCP change smartbomb mechanics a few months ago? You can't even smartbomb within 5km of a gate anymore, or on ANY station undock (not just Jita 4-4 anymore). Also you have a delay before you can even fire off a smartbomb after decloaking now too. Thanks for taking all the fun out of smartbombs CCP. Roll


The range of the smartbomb governs the distance you can or can't set them off from the gate or station.

So on some its 5 km others it's more.
Ravnik
Infinate Horizon
#9 - 2012-04-03 10:10:06 UTC
Dietrich III wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't CCP change smartbomb mechanics a few months ago? You can't even smartbomb within 5km of a gate anymore, or on ANY station undock (not just Jita 4-4 anymore). Also you have a delay before you can even fire off a smartbomb after decloaking now too. Thanks for taking all the fun out of smartbombs CCP. Roll


smartbombs were fun? Does this mean now you will have to target ppl and shoot at them? Oh noes!! Whats happening to eve!!!

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