EVE General Discussion

do ADHC run incursion??

1hr running sanctum net you 60~80m in a tengu.

1hr running incursino in hiesc net 120m, some bears claim it's only 80m, so where is it that nullsec can make more than hisec?

Well according to CCP Soundwave at the lastFanfest MoonGoo farming is just like a gigantic ATM machine which Alliance leaders can just walk up to slip thier card in & cha CHING riches just flow out. FACE IT THEY ARE A MATERIALS FAUCET THAT SPEWS OUT GREATER WEALTH THEN BOTH INCURSIONS & SLEEPERS SITES COMBINED
0.0 Moon mining spews out greater wealth into the hands of a few then any other mechanic in Eve

Does it matter? It's already been said that they are working on fixing it all.

That too! Combined with the hurt to promoting low/nullsec industry with the module reprocessing from loot added to the mix. For missions, they need a couple types.

First, they need the solo mission still. Some people like to solo, cannot just take that away. Instead of all the high bounty isk for missions, need fewer npcs, but more challenging. Solo missions should be engaging and challenging. Promote different fits. Myself, just to make it challenging, I always used speed, high involvement fights and high power. Risky to fly because it can mean death in a mission. Lost a nightmare to prove it :p. Makes mission running so fun though. Speed ravens and pulse rep maelstroms/rokhs were my favorites. Players can fight through tougher cruisers and frigates using the new ai with maybe only a couple challenging battleships in it.

Time reward should be a continual decrease and the majority of earning. The balancing out should result in a solo player able to earn about 20mil/hr highsec of at keyboard involvement. Using alts would earn a bit more isk, but not a whole lot in the mission unless you run the small fleet missions. At mission select, allow agent to offer different fleet sizes up to a certain point or a selection of missions.

More challenging missions that require actual fleet attention. With spawn switching, won't be able to just call agro with a domi, throw on remote rep and go afk to set up another mission. Overall, applying this format to all forms of pve sites will be advantageous. It will allow exploration sites to stay challenging to access in low and null, but promote more of the recon and covert ships like what I use. That is the biggest challenge for the exploration sites. To make them riskier, they just put in more high bounty npcs, making them a grind. They would be better suited to high speed sort of challenge combat with guards and the like. there are complexes to get tough combat loot.

You think like people don't adapt. Make missions net 20M/h and they'll just switch to Jita trading or something.
But that'd be a fair equalizer as you'd finally see as empty space in hi sec as you see in 0.0.

Also, you can't just take away.

This is not RL, where suckers HAVE to pay taxes, HAVE to spend a miserable life, HAVE to perform duties, HAVE to work, HAVE to be a meaningless cog in an huge, soul-crushing mechanism in the hands of few.

This is a subscriptions based game, you won't move people to somewhere else if they hate it (aka forcing everybody to become a 0.0 puppet), past a certain thresold they will just find something else more rewarding to do than hitting red crosses or staring at a rough features space Excel.

When I read threads like this, it makes me wonder how subdivided the working environment at CCP must be like. For numerous examples for this statement, there is Team Avatar working together on Walking In Stations tinkering along with various ideas while casually talking in threads. But then there was the incident with CCP Greyscale single-handedly deciding to go into the database to delete various items without any overview beforehand. Team Security seems to work together with their latest work noted and a few members of that team making a comment here and there. But then this thread states that an interview posted elsewhere has CCP Soundwave single-handedly going to change bounties, data cores, and whatever else to drive everyone to destroy each other it seems. So how do some people at CCP get carte blanche to do whatever they want without question?

Just something to ponder casually.

so a few titans can make 300m/hr make null more profitable than incursion???



vs 70~80m/hr most of incursion bears claim to make.

see the problem??

I don't see a particular issue with this. 10(or 11, or 12) people in faction/deadspace fit faction/T3 ships working together beat a solo person running anoms.

Just to add some numbers to the discussion:

Incursion Payout divided by participants by security type (single day data for Feb. 1)

Highsec: 171,948,377
Lowsec: 141,711,651
Null: 162,743,409

For the sake of argument let us assume that everyone ran VG's only and distribution of rewards were homogenous:

Each Highsec participant ran 16.38 sites.
Each Lowsec participant ran 9.45 sites.
Each Nullsec participant ran 10.85 sites.

If each site took 5min to run:

Highsec incursion runners made 126m/hr
Low and Null incursion runners both made 180m/hr

Where do you get the idea that low sec has less risk than null sec or wormholes?