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What do you think of the rapid releases

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Muestereate
Minions LLC
#1 - 2012-04-02 11:14:36 UTC
I really like the new CCP's work. The fast response after patches is great but sometimes I'm gettin update fever. Like Firefox and all its new releases. Every time I reboot I got a ton of updates to wait for and Eve is no exception I guess its this agile stuff or scrums cause I know they had the sprint idea down a while back or maybe they got a new way to keep track of what they are trying to do and its working big time.

But is it possible for too often to be too often? And what kind of stuff do you value enough that a patch is worth more than the inconvenience.

Personally I buy a subscription and I pay by the month. I'm used to paying subscription for something new once a month on magazines so I think once a month patches would be fine but I also want more than thousand cuts and low hanging fruit. I like to see some new content on top of maintenance. Maybe thats to much and I should only expect content on the actual expansions. What kind of work unit do you guys value and how often?
Saktor Maet
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-04-02 11:25:31 UTC
Okay lets go back to when we had crippling bugs that were never fixed. That's cool.
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#3 - 2012-04-02 11:30:44 UTC
Wah?
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#4 - 2012-04-02 11:38:25 UTC
More patches and fixes the better.

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Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#5 - 2012-04-02 11:41:08 UTC
Fix all the ships!!11
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#6 - 2012-04-02 11:57:49 UTC
You have to ask yourself what forced CCP to go down this route of constantly updating every now and then. Before, when problems were discovered, players had to wait weeks, if not months, to get a hotfix that addressed the issue. Now, coupled with the petition system, problems are addressed somewhat almost instantly. If you noticed the patch notes for instance, you will see that much of the hotfixes were addressing UI problems that players constantly report on. With the new launcher, players won't have to wait as long to see these problems addressed. To complement the system, players have the option to let the client anonymously submit problem reports in the event of an unexpected crash. This way you don't have to deal with creating a new petition every time your client crashes.

Adapt or Die

Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-04-02 12:23:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Joran Dravius
Speaking as a programmer myself, more frequent, but smaller updates are almost always better than larger, but less frequent updates. If something breaks or something else goes wrong it's a lot easier to find and fix. Plus it makes the users happy not having to wait a long time for fixes.

Edit: In fact, I work with interpreted languages and don't have to compile, so it's pretty easy for me to test and fix as I go. Like when I'm making a web app I usually have 5 browsers open and each time I finish something I go refresh and test it in each. Anything that other people see is pretty much 100% bug free that way.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#8 - 2012-04-02 17:38:05 UTC
Ui Fixes are a great example of something I value. I 've had quite a few that messed with my overview though. If it makes me have to reset my overview, I think I'd like bigger chunks. I've had day where I logonn, update reboot, update reboot then touch up the overview, then have to go to forums and study what was going, undock in a fast paced environment, resort and relearn things and by then haave to log.

I've just lost a days work.

Firefox keeps obsolescing my addons. I do the updates & reboots, get used to new stuff or loss of old stuff. Oh know my firewalls need new permissions and rules, mY AV wants to grind me to a halt. WHew!! thats like work, Oh crap, Windows is clamoring and there goes my cell phone needing a half dozen updates. For what I don't know but I wish it were less often and the packages were higher value.

OOPs there goes another day.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#9 - 2012-04-02 17:40:54 UTC
Patch early, patch often. ♥♥♥
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#10 - 2012-04-02 17:41:06 UTC
I like it, but why do we still have to apply some client patches separately?

It would also be nice if the launcher displayed the release notes instead of linking them....which is a very minor issue.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#11 - 2012-04-02 17:43:18 UTC
At least the new launcher is working better.

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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-04-02 17:48:46 UTC
I am personally concerned that rapid updates will make CCP want to change as much as possible, including things that are not broken.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#13 - 2012-04-02 17:53:37 UTC
Im all for the rapid small changes.

Lesser acciendts of breaking something and having no effing idea what caused it.

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supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
#14 - 2012-04-02 18:32:30 UTC
Crap shows CCP can't code for ****...

Check out world of tanks we just had a 800mb+ patch...

I've yet to find a bug...

Reblanace of tanks
New tanks
New maps
New effects
Tweaks to the UI
...
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#15 - 2012-04-02 18:34:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
supersexysucker wrote:
Crap shows CCP can't code for ****...

Check out world of tanks we just had a 800mb+ patch...

I've yet to find a bug...

Reblanace of tanks
New tanks
New maps
New effects
Tweaks to the UI
...


1 UHD map can be a couple gigs big. UI tweaks is as small as 12kbs
Database entries are extremly small as well and requires almost no code.

The most complicated thing you listed there was 'new effects' which involves animation and is probably the third largest eater in that post. However an effect can be as simple as a 2d sprite. It the 3d particle ones that are oftenly a bit more difficult to pull off requiring math and where slighlty wrong math isnt going to break everything, it would just 'look' wrong or slightly eat to much resources.

Mind you eve used to look like this.
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/EVEHistory/2000.06_Orion.jpg
And even more distrurbing is that some of the code that existed back then is still lurking around in this game now even causing weird problems.

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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#16 - 2012-04-02 18:41:02 UTC
supersexysucker wrote:

Check out world of tanks we just had a 800mb+ patch...
...


Because size obviously means added difficulty in coding.
And WoT is a single shard hugely complex mmo and not some tiered FPS. Right.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#17 - 2012-04-02 18:44:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
CCP should so make a joke trailer about air dropping a metrictonn of amarrian gallente caldari and minmatar tanks and have them steam role over the ww2 tanks.

Hmm maybe not ccp but someone else.

Also where is all the infantry in WoT?

and how come a old sherman can beat a panzer? there been multiple accounts about shermans hitting a panzer point blank several times with no effect and panzer shoots back once and splits the sherman in half.

Thats not realisitc.

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Shukuzen Kiraa
F4G Wild Weasel
#18 - 2012-04-02 18:47:23 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
I really like the new CCP's work. The fast response after patches is great but sometimes I'm gettin update fever. Like Firefox and all its new releases. Every time I reboot I got a ton of updates to wait for and Eve is no exception I guess its this agile stuff or scrums cause I know they had the sprint idea down a while back or maybe they got a new way to keep track of what they are trying to do and its working big time.

But is it possible for too often to be too often? And what kind of stuff do you value enough that a patch is worth more than the inconvenience.

Personally I buy a subscription and I pay by the month. I'm used to paying subscription for something new once a month on magazines so I think once a month patches would be fine but I also want more than thousand cuts and low hanging fruit. I like to see some new content on top of maintenance. Maybe thats to much and I should only expect content on the actual expansions. What kind of work unit do you guys value and how often?


Patches take a few seconds to download and install. How is that an inconvenience? The more patches the better...means they are fixing broken stuff. I will never ever complain about someone actually fixing their game...ever.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#19 - 2012-04-02 18:48:56 UTC
I used to remember the days when ccp took MONTHS to patch something obviously broken.

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Alxea
Unstable Pirate Sharks Of The Damed Sea
#20 - 2012-04-02 18:52:40 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
I really like the new CCP's work. The fast response after patches is great but sometimes I'm gettin update fever. Like Firefox and all its new releases. Every time I reboot I got a ton of updates to wait for and Eve is no exception I guess its this agile stuff or scrums cause I know they had the sprint idea down a while back or maybe they got a new way to keep track of what they are trying to do and its working big time.

But is it possible for too often to be too often? And what kind of stuff do you value enough that a patch is worth more than the inconvenience.

Personally I buy a subscription and I pay by the month. I'm used to paying subscription for something new once a month on magazines so I think once a month patches would be fine but I also want more than thousand cuts and low hanging fruit. I like to see some new content on top of maintenance. Maybe thats to much and I should only expect content on the actual expansions. What kind of work unit do you guys value and how often?


WoW OMG I CAN"T LOG INTO THE GAME FOR A WHOLE MINUTE WHILE IT PATCHES WHAT DO I DO UNTIL THEN... MY WORLD HAS ENDED! NO NO GOD NO OH GOD PLEASE GOD NO!!!

^ This is what you sound like. Roll Unless your still on dialup you have no room to complain and beatch.
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