Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm a fairly hardcore carebear, and I never want ganking to go away. This is why:

When I lost my first Hulk to a ganker, it gave me weeks of a tingly frustrated feeling in my butt, this feeling was paired with these salty fluids that kept welling up at the corners of my eyes.
I miss that feeling of being helpless, used up and completely abused by a random player, who actions served no greater game play purpose other than to ruin someones day.

Keep this wonderful and deep mechanic in the game, EvE needs it.

Well trolled. Well trolled. If you are, in fact, not a troll but a legitimately upset person with no concept of how sandbox games should work, get under the sink and find all those bottles, then drink them.

There are actually some of us who reside and do business in high sec who have some balls and understand the fact that you agree to not be 100% safe when we undock. I'd rather deal with gankers than some of the entitled crowd that seem be filling high sec these days.

Just oh my gawd the things I am thinking of right now are just....scary

So let's engage in an academic exercise and imagine what this alternate Eve PVE universe (Bizarro-Eve, if you will) looks like

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro_World

In Bizarro-Eve, there is only High-sec, because the gates to Low have been destroyed. The four empires live in peace except for those pesky guristas and their ilk. The industrialists have decided they will only build targeting computers that can target those guys, not fellow pod pilots

In Bizarro-Eve, miners and mission runners live in perfect harmony. They shoot asteroids with lazors and Guristas with missiles, and then sell their loot on the free market (where PvP is still allowed).

... But here is where things get really Bizarro ...

In Bizarro-Eve there are 50k players. That means there are 20k active hulks shooting asteroids. And 30k active golems shooting Guristas. And there are about 10k of each of those ships sitting on the market waiting to be sold. They have been waiting for months. Why? Because in Bizarro-Eve, nothing gets blown up.

In Bizarro-Eve, there is very little for industrialists to do. Once those hulks and golems are built (plus a few orcas and whatever incursion runners like to fly), nobody wants to buy ships any more. So industrialists are basically missile manufacturers.

And the missile market doesn't really need that much raw material. So all that mining you are doing, all those LP you are collecting, those are great hobbies but ultimately not worth much ISK anymore.

That's okay, though, because you're still making slow and steady progress, which is what you like. You have your hulk fitted with the best mods, and you have the best mining implants in your skull. You can proudly tell your friends "I'm the perfect miner - 100% optimal efficiency!" And your friends will be impressed and say "Cool! So am I!"

The PVE-only aspect of Bizarro-Eve do make life a lot simpler. Only about 10% of the ships in the Eve catalogue are useful. And you only have to train a fraction of the skills. Nobody needs webs or scramblers. Nobody ever has to fit a cloak.

In fact, many stats just kind of fade into irrelevance. Ship agility is kind of pointless. And even that middle bar on your defensive systems (armour, I think) doesn't ever get used, because you've shield-tanked your golem with the best mods.

Then, CCP announces the next expansion and it turns out to be aimed at Faction Warfare. The citizens of Bizarro-Eve are outraged and rightly so. Their game has become boring, their economy needs a major overhaul, and they need more content. This expansion doesn't help them at all.

As it turns out, this Bizarro-Eve which started out as nothing more than a PVE server, is actually a completely different game with different requirements and balance issues that need to be addressed to make it worth playing. CCP did not just turn on a second server. They started a second game, and one which competes directly with their first game.

Anyhow, to make a short story long, I really don't understand what people are asking for when they say they want a PVE server for Eve.

Insta undocks are the way to go, I have lots in each tradehub or system I often visit. All it takes is a inty with mwd or hell, even a frig can make one in just a few minutes of work wich can save you :frustration, tears and having to create threads like this. If you do this right odds are you will never get killed in a cloaky unless you become a victim of lagg.

More suicide gankers = More ships lost
More ships lost = More materials required
Higher demand for materials = more profit from mining

Suicide gankers = helping miners make more isk

Ah... Girl look at that hulk x3
Ah... I mine ore I mine ore
Ah... Girl look at that nado x3]
I gank hulks I gank hulks

When I get in my hulk *yeah*, this is what I
see *ok*
Everybody stops and they wanna gank me
I got a miner on my ship and I ain't afraid to
Use it, use it, use it, use it.
We carebear and you know it!

I'm jelly, you did this troll so much better than I did.

8/10

I lost half a billion isk to suicide gankers last week. Meh. That's EvE for ya. Suicide ganking serves three purposes in my opinion:

1) Makes people who aren't suited to the game move on to something else.
2) Pushes players to move to nullsec where it's arguably safer (I know more people who use Hulks in null to high)
3) Teaches us all a valuable lesson (people are c***s, high sec isn't safe, don't autopilot anything of value, semi afk only in cheap mining ships... take your pick)

People need to be periodically shown that high sec, no matter what you're told/think, isn't safe.

That said, I do think that insurance should be voided for all forms of suicide. ie, anyone who gets killed by Concord or self destructs their ship. This wouldn't stop people from suicide ganking but it would limit the number of griefing incidents (due to cost), do nothing to the people who suicide for profit (other than dent their profit but as someone previously mentioned that profit tends to be large) and make self destructing cap ships in order to avoid killmails a bit more painful.