Science & Industry

Jobs run 24h day semi passive and u can do 11. You have miners "minerals i mine are free" killing profits. You need production effciency lvl 5 and perfect Material Efficiency bpo's.

The big thing to remember is that ore prices have been going up in value over the past month (and nocixum jumped 40% over the weekend) so chances are a large portion of the sell orders haven't had their prices updated to match the new ore prices.

But even when the market isn't in such a state of unrest you're pretty lucky to make a 5% profit on manufacturing from my experience / reading.

But I mean, if you look at the math it just doesn't make sense. I'm going to assume that most of the people who run jobs for a month at a time are generally trying to pay for a plex, so if they have 3 toons on their account, all with perfect skills, and assuming they can get a plex for 500 million (for simplicity's sake) each line needs to make at least 21k isk/hour to make 500 million in a month. 500,000,000/33(3*11 lines of production)= 15151515. 15151515/30(days in a month)=505050. 505050/24(hours in a day)=21043. So to make enough to even justify owning these accounts you need to make at least 21043 isk/hour/line (that is if my math is right, which it very well may not be), which for a lot of ships/mods/ammo is bit of a stretch at times. And again now, this is just to pay the bills, to actually make enough to transfer to a main account you need to make more than this.

Hijacking tread:

I rly wanted to get into HighSec Capital production and thought to produce a Charon. I thought to buy one component blueprint at a time and work up my capital. Then I finally took my time and put everything into a spreadsheet and the results are shocking right now o_O.

I saw that every component has a negative production profit except construction parts. So making the ship makes me about -200 mill Production profit and 40 mill Market profit. Selling the components would give a 240 mill profit, but making that thing reduces the profit by 83%.

I could stockpile minerals 1 month ago and get better profits, but that would only be a bigger Market profit. Should then just sell the minerals, why bother to fill up production slots.

For now I only found some BPOs that have a decent Production profit when ignoring any Market profits. Will see where this is going. I need to do something beside PI ^_^

To earn money with T1 production you need several things. One of those things is money.
So as a beginner it's not so easy to do.

Just as an example: Some weeks ago I made big profit selling one faction's shuttles in that factions hub. So we produced a big stack of shuttles. Some days later the price dropped and currently I can't sell them without losing isk.
Here they just lie around in the hangar waiting for the day the prices go up again.
But if you need to liquidate the stuff you make to buy new minerals something like that can break your neck.

What you should add to your math (if you didn't already do that) is the market fees you have to pay when you sell your stuff.
Something that you can lower with the right skills.

Just because you make/buy it now doesn't mean you sell it now. People *use* ships too. I sold an Obelisk the other day. I bought it 3 years ago. Made like 300 mill profit overall....or did I? People sell ships often that never make them. If someone bought a ship 3 months ago for 10 mil and it's going for 12 and they sell it for 11 (below cost) do you think they care?

There are many things in the game that affect prices. One is mineral prices. Last year trit was 2.9ish. Now? 5+ Wait until drone poo gets nerfed (/me shakes fist at CCP) Other ships might have lost popularity due to new ships - read, Tier 3 BC's vs. Drakes/Myrms/Canes. Hell, even T1 frigates are awards for newbie missions and destroy profits there too.

Point is, the market is far more dynamic than some people accept. Success is finding out all you can about it. I wrote IPH not so I could have a "Push button, Collect Isk" tool but so I could have something that attempts to organize the market in a way that I can make sense of the things I know. At no time though do I completely rely on only what my own program says. There are many other factors to learn and know about that makes a successful industrialist. Game changes, alliance changes, new items, fotm fits, wars, etc, etc, etc.

It's a bit of work but you will have a hard time finding someone to teach you if they even have the time to teach it all. So stick with it and you'll have light bulbs coming on soon.

do your research.. I make things with 20-50% margins.

The real problem that no one wants to mention is the illicit software used to accumulate minerals. When you don't have to actually put any effort into it, a 1% profit margin isn't a bad deal after all.

1) Unless you happen to be making an item with a massive margin, don't ever sell to Jita buy orders. Likely, don't sell to buy orders at all.

2) Find a good location to sell your goods. Jita is almost never the best for profit. Go sell somewhere that the items you're making are in demand and the consumers are willing to pay more due to the convenience of not having to fly to a market hub.

One character makes ammo, plexes the other two on the account. And yes those who do it use ME100+ prints.