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If anything is OP, it's the damn dreads pushing out way more DPS than any super atm whilst still having a good tank, being relatively cheap and easier to produce. Nowadays, It makes more sense to engage in a lot of dreads instead of a few titans and still come out ahead in terms of isk efficiency and general effectiveness.
There's no need for the titan, if it'll be limited to a certain role, especially when you consider all the effort put into getting and maintaining one. I think all capital and supercapital production should be done in a capital assembly array. It'll even out the availability of capitals as a whole.

P.S. nerf titan turret tracking and increase dps. Dreads pushing out more dps than titans is unacceptable.

Simple: THE TITAN SHOULD NOT BE A COMBAT SHIP

There is just no way to balance it otherwise, without making it either overpowered or obsolete.

It should be a mobile station, full docking and logging off at location, corp asset like a pos, titan bridge, station services and both the old and the new doomsday weapons (both very ice-expensive to use so emergency-only)

Big alliances will use it as a front-line command post for reshipping and logistics. Small alliances will use it as a their mobile HQ (keeping away from the front-lines).

Since you don't make any valid arguments i'll just disagree with you disagreeing.

As for the doomsday... yeah this is just because I think as a mobile station it deserves a good last line of defense, anti-cap and anti-support. And on a timer to make so there's a good risk of getting caught with your pants down if used willy-nilly.

Though the biggest factor limiting projection of power is ALWAYS operational cost. When big enough and people will just start weighing cost vs benefit. If the cost is too high to be used just to gank some carrier, but low enough to be acceptable to be fired to prevent losing a station (with possibly tens of billions of stored stuff from corpmates), then it should be balanced.

The reason why this didn't work before was because there was practically no cost for firing the (old) doomsday. Nor could you run out of bullets.

The point is, when you have people storing their stuff in it and logging off at it it will be way less likely to be used as an offensive front-line ship anyway.

As for the cargo abuse... a station should have insane cargo-space. And tt's not like there's no easy solution to your posed problem, just turn all the ice into a doomsday bullet first before it can be used.

You didnt provide a reason why you believe that titans cant be balanced as a combat ship, so I didnt feel inclined to provide a reason why I disagreed with you.



Maybe, it would reduce the amount of titan hot drops specifically to DD something, but alliances will shell out the money to fire the DD's on fleet operations no matter the cost, so your idea is really only going to nerf them in a solo setting anyway. It might make PL add a titan ammo fee to their contracts tho.



True, you can easily get around the first problem that came to mind, but I really didnt feel like putting much effort into it when you didnt bother to explain why you dont believe that titans can be balanced as combat ships in the first place.

Here's how I would balance the titans.

- Remove any bonus to XL guns. They can fit them, but they'll do average DPS.
- Keep the Logistics (clone vats/etc) and Leadership Bonus. This should be the Titan's primary role.
- Have the Doomsday consume ammo. Not just Oxygen - actual ammo that'll take several weeks to research and manufacture.
- Have diminish returns on Doomsday depending on how many Titans are in fleet. Prevent more than one doomsday per 5 minutes from being fired in the grid.
- Add Drone Bandwith to field Fighters.

A single Titan providing logistics and Leadership to a Cap/Sub-Cap fleet is great.
But too many titans in the same space should hampers their effectiveness. You only need one for Leadership.

Any more comments, thoughts, or ideas out there?

The problem with introducing a new ship designed to kill a fleet of something that is too powerful at the moment, is that once you have a fleet of those ships, what keeps it from becoming the next OP ship. Then you have to introduce a new ship to beat your new ship that beats the old ship.

If your only going to introduce a ship as a way of balancing an existing ship, you need to make sure that your not just creating a new problem. Once you take all of the effort that entails into account, you have spent more time on the project than simply balancing the old ship would have taken.

Your military example doesnt quite work here, because this is a game not real life. The game needs to be balanced, and each ship needs to have counters, otherwise it becomes a game of who can field the highest numbers of the most powerful ship.

Nerf tracking
Increase average dps to 15000
Limit the amount of titans that can be ongrid.

blatant bump

I agree that the titans need a damage boost, but it should come at a penalty just like the dread. Why not just let the titan use the siege module instead of outright buffing its damage? This would be much easier to implement than your suggestion, and would do just about the same thing, while also providing a penalty when it does use its massive DPS.

This is starting to sound alot like the superdread portion of my proposal...