Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well if CCP has trouble writing the documentation, they should crowdsource it. Put it to the community to write explanations of how things work. CCP can take that, verify the accuracy of the information documented, and then introduce new tutorials, videos, and documents so that people can find good reliable information INSIDE THE EVE HELP SYSTEM.

I'm talking about crowdsourcing the NPE design, not just a few new lessons. New users need to learn the difference PVE and PVP, why the same fits don't work for both, and the basic concepts that go with each. They need to be exposed to concepts like I mentioned before (grids and such). I think the game would greatly benefit from more interactive lessons, embedded videos, and instructional voice-overs. A few hours worth of optional content explaining how the Eve universe functions would go a long way toward keeping rookies from making stupid mistakes.

I don't have a background in MMOs. Eve attracts a lot of people who don't normally get interested in them. When I started Eve, I had to spend a lot of time asking dumb questions and looking stuff up; there was a feel both in the tutorials and the rookie help channel that you was prerequisite MMO knowledge that I was lacking. A lot of those questions should have been answered in the tutorials, and it's a massive barrier to entry that they aren't.

I'm pretty sure you enjoy the taxes your slaves^Wmembers bring, but did you ever think that a newer player would have a better progression in an environment offering mentoring from more experienced players than in an entourage of people as clueless as he is?

tl;dr corp of noobs are worthless, getting stomped is a consequence, noobs should seek corps offering a mentoring program, there are plenty

Making a corp should cost more. When ccp increases the wardec cost, corp creation should go up as much to discourage the unprepared

CCP spoke about this at fanfest, and they want to make pve a lot more like pvp so people are more prepared.[/quote

I'm not against PvE becoming more like PvP, if nothing else having the right ships doing the right damn jobs lo
That said there is more to EVE than purely PvP..

I don't know why the loudest players (not most but loudest) and CCP believe that everyone should engage in PvP
We should be allowed to play the game how we want to without being FORCED in to playing an aspect of the game that perhaps were just not interested in

Personally I like the casual PvP in Faction Warfare, it is something that when I have the spare ISK and feel like doing, I can... but should this be something I am forced in to participating in? NO! Never

This is the same issue we see with new pilots, there are plenty who DO want to be involved in PvP; but get discouraged by the fact that my 5 year old Character with his much higher skills, ability to pop "boosters" and such will just faceroll them.
Sure you can tell them that PvP for the most part is about accepting that you're going to loose ships, but to many that isn't enjoyable because they don't see any real benefit from loosing dozens (some cases hundreds) of ships that to them are incredibly expensive where-as to the rest of us even the T2 variants which are 10x the cost are pocket change

These are the same pilots that even with purchased accounts, with similar skills due to their lack of understanding on how PvP even works will often die in a horrible blaze of glory anyway

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Really I think the main aspect here that would help comes down to how Skillpoints are earnt
While it is pretty awesome that you can passively (offline) continue your training of skills, something I think would help is to overhaul how that works

Skills would still have the same levels (0-5, None / Limited / Basic / Standard / Improved / Elite) however this would be broken up to Seperate Skill Levels: Understanding and Proficienc

• Understanding - would be leveled through a passive means, this would be used to unlock the next generation of hardware; but not the more advanced version of the hardware
• Proficiency - would be leveled through an active means, where it relies on you using the hardware to level it. Think of this as similar to how you level weaponry in Battlefield 3... so as such all of the actions you do, for example ECM you would get a bonus for kills made when you were attempting to jam; but successful jam would also provide a bonus. You would also get a small persistant SP increase as well, so if you just wanted to sit in station spinning a ship to earn it you could, but obviously this would be MUCH slower than getting involved in PvE (lower bonus) or PvP (higher bonus

The Proficiency would be used to unlock the next 'meta' of equippment as well as provide the bonus' increase with level you currently recieve. If dying while using it also attributed to this, it would mean even when you are destroyed in combat it isn't a total devastating loss with it helping for you to be more prepared for next time

Once a Proficiency is maxed out, earning enough SP to unlock another Level 5 (Service Star if you will) would provide an amount of SP to your "unallocated SP" so that you can increase other Skills that do not have proficiency

All of the skills available, even the support ones have things that proficiency could be boosted; for example Corporation Management or such, would give you boosts for Recruiting, Advertising, Providing Dividends, Successful Votes. Aspects that affect the corporation as a whole, but you likely wouldn't be doing on a daily basis

It wouldn't be to make leveling or unlocking new stuff quicker, but more so that you can become more effective with it in a shorter amount of time without having to have maxed out the ability to use the next level of skills. It also would help with the Meta-Level of objects being tied to a skill Proficiency (Meta 1 = Pro Lv 1, etc...) so that there is a more constant stream of unlocking equippment rather than hitting a magical number and blam 5-10 new things are available, not to mention the reward for being a more active player.

This will make alt accounts a slightly less desirable aspect as without multi-boxing would be difficult to level them all up at a quick pace; but the trickle SP would still mean they'd improve at a similar rate to your Understanding.

I salute you RavenTesio, that sounds brilliant.

Putting aside the fact that this change just delays the time it takes for a new player to actually learn what EVE is about, there's another major issue with this.


Players in EVE are encouraged to be careful and not fly what they can't afford to lose. New players often learn this lesson early in their EVE careers while they're flying around in a rifter or something.

A month in a dedicated enough player could have a battlecruiser or BS (having dumped all their money into it). Then their protection would run off, they'd lose their ship having learned absolutely nothing about survival in their free month, then ragequit having lost everything.

For starters, I could just "level" my skills with an alt in a never-ending series of rookie ships. Or park a tanky battleship in a mission space with a handful of rats left in it and firing up all the modules I need to level so that they are successfully jamming/webbing/whatever for hours on end if no one scans me down and kills my remaining mission rats.

Skills for grinding are BAD. I play Eve because it doesn't have that.