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The Virgins of St. Junip
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Jascira
Animastra
#21 - 2011-09-26 13:22:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jascira
I do believe, Mr. Ubar-Sarum [Merdaneth], that the only way to please some people in this regard will be for you to have relations with these girls and, furthermore, for you to integrate males into these crews such that they might have relations with these girls and, in order to further ensure the sympathy of your critics, for you to have relations with these males as well.

On the other hand, since, according to your critics, there is no distinction to be made between crews such as you propose and any other types of crew, then you could, of course, use the crews that you propose without complaint, since, as they have expressed it, there is no distinction to be made.

Now, pardon me while I go remove my (original I might add) Flight of the Virgins in the Siege of Montcullis from my wall.The maidens appear rather exposed.
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#22 - 2011-09-26 13:38:13 UTC
Jascira wrote:


Quote:
This is, of course, not to mention your "advertisement".

I admit that I was unable to see the advertisement beforehand (the link had failed). On seeing it now, though, my first thought is that the symbolism is sublime. My second thought is that, where it is not sublime, the symbolism is perhaps necessarily illustrative. I'll stick with sublime.
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Of the words used to descibe a scantily clad, blonde, Slave with a Khumaak on her genitals, "sublime" is not exactly winning 1st prize.

"Exploited", however, I imagine would come a respectable 3rd.

Right after "objectified" and "Merdaneth's wet dream"

**Vherokior **
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#23 - 2011-09-26 13:42:05 UTC
Nakal Ashera wrote:
The fact that you consider the most notable and worthwhile quality of your female-only crew to be their virginity and purity while simultaneously displaying a banner depicting a half-naked girl to represent the idea is an act of blatant hypocrisy.

While, alone, this could be dismissed as cognitive dissonance, the fact that the idea sprung from a sexist and factually outdated belief in gender-based performance solidifies your identity as either a misogynist or a pervert. I am saddened by your lack of self-honesty.

Divorce yourself from this fool idea unless you want to sully your own reputation further.


Just in case anyone skim read it the 1st time.

**Vherokior **
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-09-26 14:06:17 UTC
To be honest, I agreed with everything you said except this:

Nakal Ashera wrote:
Divorce yourself from this fool idea unless you want to sully your own reputation further.


Trust me, this is Merdaneth we're talking about. Making the majority of New Eden think any less of him than they already do would take some truly Herculean effort in poor decision-making.

Then again, this is Merdaneth we're talking about...

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2011-09-26 14:14:52 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
The enemies of Amarr are always quick to claim that slaves are mistreated.

But when slaves are given an opportunity to better themselves, those same critics still complain.


Rodj, for instance, compensates for his repression with unrelenting denial.


And you are typical of the critics.

If you see a sexual motive behind Merdaneth's actions, then that says more about you than it does about him.

Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own immoral peccadilloes and accept that there are people out there, like Merdaneth, who aspire to something better, something purer.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-09-26 14:22:22 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
And you are typical of the critics.


I'm not criticising his desires. I'm criticising the fact that he's lying about them.

Rodj Blake wrote:
If you see a sexual motive behind Merdaneth's actions, then that says more about you than it does about him.


It says that I understand and accept human nature, whereas Amarrians do not, and attempt to hide from an intrinsic part of their own beings.

They're called genitals! They feel nice when you rub them together! Most people have them! Get over it already!

Rodj Blake wrote:
Perhaps you should stop judging others by your own immoral peccadilloes and accept that there are people out there, like Merdaneth, who aspire to something better, something purer.


Of course a lot of old men aspire to something better, something purer - it's not exactly like the women in their own age range are anything to write home about.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2011-09-26 14:31:23 UTC
Thank you for proving my point Ixiris

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-09-26 14:51:55 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Thank you for proving my point Ixiris


I'm not entirely sure you have one.

Or that you had a meaningful contribution to this conversation.

OH, YOU SEE WHAT I DID THERE? DID YOU? DID YOU SEE IT? I HOPE YOU DIDN'T MISS IT.

I thought it was pretty clever.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
Iron Men of the Hood
#29 - 2011-09-26 15:04:41 UTC
Am I the only non/anti-imperialist who finds nothing wrong with pious chastity?
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2011-09-26 16:14:08 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
So much hypocrisy here, ...


I agree with that part.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2011-09-26 16:20:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Thank you for proving my point Ixiris


I'm not entirely sure you have one.

Or that you had a meaningful contribution to this conversation.

OH, YOU SEE WHAT I DID THERE? DID YOU? DID YOU SEE IT? I HOPE YOU DIDN'T MISS IT.

I thought it was pretty clever.


Put it this way, if it was Merdaneth's plan to deflower these virgins and not help them out, why would he send them to college? Why not simply go ahead and do the deed?

The fact that you're a grubby little man who can't but help associate virgins with the loss of virginity doesn't mean that everyone else is.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Jascira
Animastra
#32 - 2011-09-26 16:39:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jascira
N'maro Makari wrote:
Of the words used to descibe a scantily clad, blonde, Slave with a Khumaak on her genitals, "sublime" is not exactly winning 1st prize.

My "Footnotes" version* --

* The presence and location of the "Khumaak" in the advertisement is what I refer to as "not sublime" and "perhaps necessarily illustrative" (though perhaps not illustrative enough).

Ardishapur Family
Khumaak

Ah, but in re-reading my words, I did say that "I'll stick with sublime", which is to say that I will stick with the symbolism involved, and so I shall.
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2011-09-26 17:21:02 UTC
Saikoyu wrote:

You say that the minimum term of service is three years, and that at maximum, any of these women may serve three terms of service. However, you do not mention a maximum term of service, nor do you state who determines the length of a term of service.

Also, on a separate topic, I noticed that you are only recruiting from your slaves. Would you not serve more if you widened the recruitment to others living in the Amarrian empire? I think it possible that many young women would like the chance to serve aboard a vessel with such a reward at the end, slave or free.


One term is three years. Minimum is one term, maximum is three terms. Total service is 3 to 9 years. Re-enlistment is determined by capability and the availability of positions.

Ms. Saikoyu, obviously, I cannot recruit from slaves I don't own. If you think another group are equally or more deserving of the program than my slaves, then please come forward. As you might understand, I feel more obligation to help my own slaves along in their journey through life than other random people.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#34 - 2011-09-26 17:30:24 UTC
So why don't you have a similar program set up for "pious young men"? Why are women the only ones worthy of receiving such an "honor"?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2011-09-26 17:31:12 UTC
Myrhial Arkenath wrote:
You put a bunch of teenage girls together and expect no incidents. Right. And then I don't even mean it sexually, yet although that is also a possibility of course. Women amongst each other can be far more vicious than men can be aggressive. Not to mention at that age they will have their periods, and women living together often experience their biological clocks synchronizing. That's a whole lot of PMS all at the same time. I hope that religion thing is working for you, because you're going to need it.


Pirate Arkenath, my initial analysis did indeed underestimate such issues and this caused the initial low success rate. However, during my tenure at the Sovereign Hospitaler Order of St. Katerine I've witnessed many techniques that can be employed to keep a community unified and pure when it concerns a household composed mostly of younger women. Rest assured I've learned from my mistakes.
Jev North
Doomheim
#36 - 2011-09-26 17:34:32 UTC
Could you lift a small tip of the veil regarding what those techniques are? I'm honestly curious.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#37 - 2011-09-26 18:02:29 UTC
Unrighteousness, Theology Council minions, revealing attire, and Merdaneth the one time Male Evil Space Nun.

It comes as no surprise to me, to find out that Louella and her minions are in some shape or fashion behind this entire thing!


down with this sort of thing.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Jascira
Animastra
#38 - 2011-09-26 18:27:48 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Unrighteousness, Theology Council minions, revealing attire, and Merdaneth the one time Male Evil Space Nun.

Ah, so it could be healthy all around then. Delicious!

(God... I must move on).
Conventia Underking
Underking Family
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2011-09-26 22:23:04 UTC
Thank you, Pilot Merdaneth for sharing news of your success. While I do not personally handle the treatment of slaves, I will be sure to let those who are know about your findings. I'm sure everyone is excited to learn how your maiden flight goes.

For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!

The Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#40 - 2011-09-27 04:53:55 UTC
I'd still like to know why only women and not men for this program?

Could it have to do with the anachronistic and paternalistic views of the male dominated Amarrian society? Aeons of hidebound tradition? Or a more base explanation, perhaps?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.