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Prevent players from activating their weapons on other players in highsec unless not in war
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Adunh Slavy
#161 - 2012-04-01 20:31:26 UTC
Zaaark Quasar wrote:
Stop suicide ganking.



No, space should be dangerous. Agreeably ganking is epedimic right now and it is far too easy, but the ability to do it should remain. I would like to highlight this post , and suggest let players handle it. Let anyone +2 or above shoot at anyone -2 or lower, with that -2 having the ability to shoot back at no penalty at all, in high sec, and fun can be had for all.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#162 - 2012-04-01 20:33:32 UTC
ganking is epidemic because highsec bears are fatter then ever, take less precautions then ever and wardecs are weaker and easier to dodge then ever.
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#163 - 2012-04-01 20:38:47 UTC
Zaaark Quasar wrote:
Stop suicide ganking.

It´s totally out of balance, there isn´t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn´t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it´s just griefing.

Pilots that don´f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc´s then so what? It doesn´t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn´t have any valid reasoning behind it, it´s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.


And if i want to pay 15 euro a month (which i dont i stopped paying for this game long ago), to suicide gank carebears i will!... thats what a sandbox universe is...

Also. welcome to eve... from the sounds of things you wont be staying long!
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#164 - 2012-04-01 20:42:39 UTC
i say that doesn't go far enough

prevent players from activating their weapons on NPCs, asteroids
market pvp is still pvp
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#165 - 2012-04-01 20:52:37 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
ganking is epidemic because highsec bears are fatter then ever, take less precautions then ever and wardecs are weaker and easier to dodge then ever.


Ofc, Tornado has nothing to do with it, that's not why every ganker and his mother uses that ship now.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#166 - 2012-04-01 20:55:40 UTC
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
ganking is epidemic because highsec bears are fatter then ever, take less precautions then ever and wardecs are weaker and easier to dodge then ever.

Ofc, Tornado has nothing to do with it, that's not why every ganker and his mother uses that ship now.

I thought catalysts were used to gank hulks and stuff?

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Alexi Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#167 - 2012-04-01 21:00:18 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:

How would having a PvE server in addition to TQ ruin Eve? lol


It wouldn't ruin Eve. It'd simply be a waste of time and effort for no real gain.

The entire game was designed around PVP.

Remove it and the entire game falls out of balance - Flat on its' face.

If you gear industry and the economy to account for no PVP losses and make mission running the norm, you're left with a pedantically complicated World of Warcraft. Sure, it would appeal to a few players but not enough to justify the time and trouble to make it.

The element of danger is what makes this game. It's the only reason I play it. This is coming from someone who hasn't even fooled with PVP yet. Definite "carebear" as it were. I know I am not unique in that.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#168 - 2012-04-01 21:03:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
ganking is epidemic because highsec bears are fatter then ever, take less precautions then ever and wardecs are weaker and easier to dodge then ever.


Ofc, Tornado has nothing to do with it, that's not why every ganker and his mother uses that ship now.

Yeah because it's slightly cheaper then the tempests they were all using before
but highsec is still so safe that most ganking victims actually prefer to leave slots bare rather then buy tanking mods
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#169 - 2012-04-01 21:10:08 UTC
Zaaark Quasar wrote:
if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc´s then so what? It doesn´t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

You contribute to inflation, making my loot less valuable

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#170 - 2012-04-01 21:12:42 UTC
Alexi Koskanaiken wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:

How would having a PvE server in addition to TQ ruin Eve? lol


It wouldn't ruin Eve. It'd simply be a waste of time and effort for no real gain.


False, more players paying sub = +profit.

Like it or not, and actually majority of eve is in the "not", you make the company loose a few bil per year with all those players that left after 14D or 3months. Doesn't mater if they'd be gone anyway, it matter that the longer they stay the more money they put in.

Quote:
The entire game was designed around PVP.


False, there are NPC rats, like it or not when you kill those you PVE.

Quote:
Remove it and the entire game falls out of balance - Flat on its' face.

If you gear industry and the economy to account for no PVP losses and make mission running the norm, you're left with a pedantically complicated World of Warcraft. Sure, it would appeal to a few players but not enough to justify the time and trouble to make it.

The element of danger is what makes this game. It's the only reason I play it. This is coming from someone who hasn't even fooled with PVP yet. Definite "carebear" as it were. I know I am not unique in that.


INope, the element that defines the best Eve Online is "grieffing" just after "PVP" being promoted by CCP. Ask those hundred thousands accounts closed what do they think about.
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#171 - 2012-04-01 21:29:37 UTC
If i can kill u for cheaper than my loss then my fun money will still be used for tears. Even if i lost more money to gank you it would still be ok if the loss ment more to you.
Wolf Kruol
Suicide Squad Gamma
#172 - 2012-04-01 21:33:19 UTC
You have to be kidding me? No firing in highsec? I assure you end of eve if that day happens. Roll

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You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!”
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#173 - 2012-04-01 21:33:39 UTC
No, stop complaining. If you knew what you were doing you wouldn't even be dying.
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#174 - 2012-04-01 21:34:54 UTC
Katarina Reid wrote:
If i can kill u for cheaper than my loss then my fun money will still be used for tears. Even if i lost more money to gank you it would still be ok if the loss ment more to you.



This guy gets it!
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#175 - 2012-04-01 21:42:57 UTC
Zaaark Quasar wrote:
Stop suicide ganking.

It´s totally out of balance, there isn´t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn´t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it´s just griefing.

Pilots that don´f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc´s then so what? It doesn´t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn´t have any valid reasoning behind it, it´s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.


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You can fix lag, but you can't fix stupid.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#176 - 2012-04-01 21:46:10 UTC
A step by step guide oh how to deal with complaints
1. Log off
2. Account management
3. Unsubscribe
4. Uninstall eve
5. Install World of warcraft
6. Play the game that was made for you
7. Like this post.


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Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#177 - 2012-04-01 21:48:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Gevlin
it is a self regulating tool vs people who socially grief.

People who call me names, who steal my ore I want to mine, People who Hang out in my mission to steal my loot

People who drag me out to null sec promising the world and then gank me

People who are griefing...


With the new wardec system that is coming in to place it will be one of the few way to take revenge on those little annoying manipulitive twerps.

eventually the system natrualy weeds out these guys pushing them into null sec.

With the new expansion CCP will be closing up some of the loop holes to slow down the active suicide gankers from going all out.

I would recommend building up an alt. try suicide ganking you self and see how much effort it required to keep ganking after ganking a newb several peeps.

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships
Vila eNorvic
#178 - 2012-04-01 22:20:03 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Vila eNorvic wrote:
In my case, apparently, a shuttle with a Tracking Computer I in its hold.

How did a suicide ganker in high-sec even manage to lock your shuttle before you were away? Were you flying afk? (If you were, tough, and there's your counter.)

The question is, why did he shoot? The suggestion seems to be that this stuff is a form of legitimate gameplay to achieve a gain of some sort, but it seems to me that much of it just plain griefing and some of it is done purely for the hell of it. My case must have been the latter, as there was no possible gain and the loss of a shuttle and a T1 module would hardly be grief-inducing, even for a newbie (I was running a business tutorial mission at the time).

I have no idea how he managed to lock me, but he did it as I landed on the gate - I was hit just as I jumped. He didn't even kill me, I survived by the skin of my teeth - presumably he didn't survive Concord, I didn't jump back through to find out. All I remember is something red in my overview as I came out of warp, which I immediately clicked and had a look at. I got a brief glimpse of a Thrasher firing and then I was through, with my shield and almost all my armour gone. And before anyone asks - no, I wasn't aggro'd to anyone.


Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
Katarina Reid wrote:
If i can kill u for cheaper than my loss then my fun money will still be used for tears. Even if i lost more money to gank you it would still be ok if the loss ment more to you.



This guy gets it!

Yep, that sounds pretty close to a definition of griefing.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#179 - 2012-04-01 22:28:02 UTC
Mission Runner: WTF I can't shoot these Guristas in my mission!

CCP: You aren't actually at war with them. In order to shoot you must move to lowsec missions

Mission Runner: Oh snap!



I'd be all for this plan really as long as NPC corps can be dec'd and dec shields are removed.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#180 - 2012-04-01 22:31:04 UTC
Zaaark Quasar wrote:
Stop suicide ganking.

It´s totally out of balance, there isn´t any other counter on it than not logging in or sitting in station. It doesn´t add anything in the sandbox, it just makes CCP lose subscriptions.

Suicide ganking is not pvp content, it´s just griefing.

Pilots that don´f have balls, should grow a pair and go to 0.0 or lowsec, or drop a war declaration. Those are good for the game.

One reason for EVE online low subscription number is the fact that this game is ******** towards new players and pve players.

PVE players do bring the same cash flow to CCP and if someone wants to spend 15$ montly just for shooting npc´s then so what? It doesn´t take anything away from 'pvp' pilots.

Suicide ganking doesn´t have any valid reasoning behind it, it´s just seriously bad game design.

CCP should really show some respect on all those players who pays their paychecks.


Your opinion is noted.