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Xenuria Needs A New Hard Drive!
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Xenuria
#1 - 2012-04-01 20:05:26 UTC
Minimum Requirements:
400GB Space
Long Life-Expectancy
Internal/ Standard Form Factor

Current System Specs:

NVIDIA 560Ti Video Card
MSI "Military Class II" Motherboard
4 GB PNY RAM
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 32-Bit (Might Kernal Patch to 64-bit if I buy more RAM)
Quad-Core i7 2600k CPU

Notes:

The NEW hard drive must NOT bottleneck any component and must also not be bottle-necked by any component.

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-04-01 20:15:40 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Minimum Requirements:
The NEW hard drive must NOT bottleneck any component and must also not be bottle-necked by any component.


That would mean SSD. I hope you have lots and lots and lots of money.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Xenuria
#3 - 2012-04-01 20:18:16 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Minimum Requirements:
The NEW hard drive must NOT bottleneck any component and must also not be bottle-necked by any component.


That would mean SSD. I hope you have lots and lots and lots of money.



Is a SSD REALLY Necessary?

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Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
#4 - 2012-04-01 20:23:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Obsidian Dagger
Unless you splash out on SSD's, your HDD will ALWAYS be a bottleneck. Even those 10k drives have noticible latency.

Best bet (IMO at least because it works for me), is to load up to a minimum of 8gb ram, switch to a 64bit OS, and disable your paging memory. That should force everyhting to run in ram, and with at least 8gig, you should have plenty space for windows + game/s to run, then just use a reasonably quick drive for Windows (500gb 7200rpm Western Digital sata2) and a big slow drive (2tb 5400rpm Western Digital ) for storing game images, installs and movies n stuff.

Thats my setup, and I find it a: Reliable and b: quick enough for everything I do. Stuff takes a few seconds longer to LOAD but once it IS loaded into RAM, it flies along becose there is no hard drive paging nonsense slowing everything down.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-04-01 20:24:13 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Minimum Requirements:
The NEW hard drive must NOT bottleneck any component and must also not be bottle-necked by any component.


That would mean SSD. I hope you have lots and lots and lots of money.



Is a SSD REALLY Necessary?

Read the requirements you have listed. I am trying to meet YOUR requirements. Change YOUR requirements, and I will change my suggestion.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Xenuria
#6 - 2012-04-01 20:30:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Caleidascope wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Minimum Requirements:
The NEW hard drive must NOT bottleneck any component and must also not be bottle-necked by any component.


That would mean SSD. I hope you have lots and lots and lots of money.



Is a SSD REALLY Necessary?

Read the requirements you have listed. I am trying to meet YOUR requirements. Change YOUR requirements, and I will change my suggestion.



I understand...

Can you tell me how badly getting another NON-SSD will bottleneck my computer?
When does it bottleneck?

I dont really care how long it takes my system to boot up. I care how fast it runs when its on. Like games and programs. I have no plans to split storage between 2 drives.

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Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
#7 - 2012-04-01 20:32:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Obsidian Dagger
Xenuria wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Minimum Requirements:
The NEW hard drive must NOT bottleneck any component and must also not be bottle-necked by any component.


That would mean SSD. I hope you have lots and lots and lots of money.



Is a SSD REALLY Necessary?

Read the requirements you have listed. I am trying to meet YOUR requirements. Change YOUR requirements, and I will change my suggestion.



I understand...

Can you tell me how badly getting another NON-SSD will bottleneck my computer?
When does it bottleneck?


Booting Windows will be slower than with SSD. But still just as fast/faster than with any OLDER HDD.
Loading software/games/movies/music will be the same, a little slower than they would on SSD, but you wouldn't want to store everything on SSD ANYWAY.

In essense, FORGET SSD because the only thing it makes a real difference on is booting windows.

SSD's are great for OS's and small programs you want to load up quickly. Since the biggest consumer grade ones max out at around 160/320gb, you don't want to use them for real storage. Not enough room on hardware that is still in it's infancy. Give it a few years and SSD's will be big and reliable enough to seriously challange traditional spinning media.

The other alternative is to get a hybrid drive. Thats a traditional spinning disc drive, but with an SSD cache onboard that seriously speeds up transfer rates.

http://www.ebuyer.com/store/Storage/cat/Hard-Drive---SSD/subcat/Hybrid-SSD
Xenuria
#8 - 2012-04-01 20:35:06 UTC


Thank you.

So I think its clear I do not NEED a SSD, I NEED a fast Hard drive that is better than what I have currently.

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Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
#9 - 2012-04-01 20:39:16 UTC
Once you go past Hybrid SSD's, and rule out a pure SSD raid setup because of cost, then you are into server grade SSD's and those come in at around £1500 for a TB or thereabouts.
Xenuria
#10 - 2012-04-01 21:04:34 UTC
Than what is a good HD that is at least 400-500GB that is affordable AND long lasting?

I am going to Clone the entirety of my current drive to the new one for redundancy and then kernal patch OS so that it can function as though it were 64-Bit minus all the compatibility problems that come with 64-bit.

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Alain Kinsella
#11 - 2012-04-01 23:45:14 UTC
Look up 'Segate Momentus XT' - I'm using one now and its doing well.

My secondary drive is usually a WD 'Green' in a removable slot (I have two so I can change them now and then for disk image redundancy). Main use is for my video and audio collections.

As for long lasting - I have just about every SATA drive I've owned for the past 10 years (these are also used as spare storage drives instead of DVDs). Only one has ever failed, and I was able to replace that one on warranty (no failures after that).

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Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-04-01 23:46:49 UTC
Have a look HERE. The 5 year warranty is about the best you'll get.
Xenuria
#13 - 2012-04-01 23:50:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Kai Tel wrote:
Have a look HERE. The 5 year warranty is about the best you'll get.



The main problem I see with that drive is dust and dirt getting on the disks and the reader. If the picture of the product is any indication this is the least safe hard drive you can buy. Its got no covering on one side so all its guts are exposed. Or am I missing something..

Also that specific drive seems to have alot of reviews talking about it failing on them.

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Alain Kinsella
#14 - 2012-04-01 23:54:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Alain Kinsella
Most Velociraptor drives are sealed normally. WD likes to use pics like that to show how well its made.

There was a time that this drive had a clear top (so you could safely see the drive working) but I've always felt like it was a gimmick for the guys with case windows. :-)

Also, as far as I know the average speed of that drive is about the same as the Momentus line that I mention, though you'll want to compare specs anyway. In my case they were about the same but the Momentus (a 500 Gig) was about 1/3 the cost.

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-04-02 00:24:07 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Kai Tel wrote:
Have a look HERE. The 5 year warranty is about the best you'll get.



The main problem I see with that drive is dust and dirt getting on the disks and the reader. If the picture of the product is any indication this is the least safe hard drive you can buy. Its got no covering on one side so all its guts are exposed. Or am I missing something..

Also that specific drive seems to have alot of reviews talking about it failing on them.

Ignore the photo. It is just a pretty picture with the cover off.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Xenuria
#16 - 2012-04-02 00:29:27 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Kai Tel wrote:
Have a look HERE. The 5 year warranty is about the best you'll get.



The main problem I see with that drive is dust and dirt getting on the disks and the reader. If the picture of the product is any indication this is the least safe hard drive you can buy. Its got no covering on one side so all its guts are exposed. Or am I missing something..

Also that specific drive seems to have alot of reviews talking about it failing on them.

Ignore the photo. It is just a pretty picture with the cover off.


Well either way that specific drive has to many bad reviews and complaints of it failing for me to consider it.

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Liam Mirren
#17 - 2012-04-02 05:27:46 UTC
I remember, years ago, convincing myself to buy a 2940UW card with a Cheetah HDD for a normal gaming computer, it seemed a good idea. Same with buying SCSI Plextor cd burners and whatnot. I'm good at convincing myself but it's generally not worth it.

Getting an SSD drive for your OS and possibly games is logical, getting it for storage isn't, also storage tends to be large files which are easily read by normal HDD's due to sequential reading.

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Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-04-02 05:47:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran
Get a 120GB SSD to install the OS on and a 1TB Western Digital Caviar Black for storage.

The operating system will run much faster and those WD Caviar Black drives run almost as well as any 10k RPM drive, the 2TB versions are actually faster iirc.
Renturu
In Glorium et Decorum
#19 - 2012-04-02 05:56:02 UTC
Are you willing to run RAID on your system? Dual HDD with RAID0 can pretty much give you a significant speed boost. A Co-worker managed to run a 100 Gig HDD for his OS and RAID0 for file access. Hes quite happy with the speed.

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Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#20 - 2012-04-02 07:44:08 UTC
I'm running 3x SSD in Raid 0 for booting windows and playing games (makes a serious difference in games, load screens are a thing of the past)

Got a few cav blues in raid5 as well.

I'd recommend doing tihs or using a hybrid drive

There should be a rather awesome pic here
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