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CSM proved to be a liability to CCP
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Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#1 - 2012-04-01 08:52:39 UTC
time to get rid of it

Theyre either too powerful or powerless depending on who you talk to, but Mittens has proven at least one thing through the year, the position of CSM is a liability for the company and should be let go.

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Momoyo
Rivinshield Trading Inc.
#2 - 2012-04-01 09:16:05 UTC
Yeh maybe then well finally get Space Barbie online like we always wanted. We would have had it to if it wasnt for those meddling CSM. And the Mittani too.
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-04-01 09:22:13 UTC
Momoyo wrote:
Yeh maybe then well finally get Space Barbie online like we always wanted. We would have had it to if it wasnt for those meddling CSM. And the Mittani too.



Hilmar curses T20 everyday (and for being born with ginger hair)

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#4 - 2012-04-01 09:22:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Momoyo wrote:
Yeh maybe then well finally get Space Barbie online like we always wanted. We would have had it to if it wasnt for those meddling CSM. And the Mittani too.

Push bootan next to door in captains quarters erryday

EDIT: Xenuria would love it.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Zoloft Rx
Forged Prophets
#5 - 2012-04-01 09:29:43 UTC
They're only a liability when they interact with the public.
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
#6 - 2012-04-01 09:35:05 UTC
More like CCP is becoming a liability to itself. The CSM has done some great things as of late and has helped push back on behalf of the players.

The overall problem is CCP has delusions of grandeur that have not gone away and have only shifted form and intensified. CCP is hell-bent on trying to make EVE as big as possible and is willing to make deals with the devil (Sony) to attempt to facilitate this.

The problem with getting bigger is the CCP we all know will die with it, once a corporate entity passes a point of critical mass it tends to lose itself and ultimately will take the safest approach to it's business model.

Mark my words if CCP ever see's over a million users fan fest will be totally neutered along with griefing and other forms of the meta game. Once you get really big it's all about maintaining a otherwise stable and boring image to preserve the largest amount of customers and keep your legal department with their feet on their desk.

The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.

One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear.
Prince Kobol
#7 - 2012-04-01 09:35:35 UTC
If fanfest proved anything its that CCP still have a lot learn about being a company.

How many other Companies would of allowed that slide about the Wiz?

How many other companies would of not put a delay on their live TV Stream, because you know, a bunch of kids who can't hold their alcohol (Michael Bolton here is looking at you) were never going to say anything that could get you intro trouble?

As much as people might want to blame the CSM, CCP also have to take responsibility over what happened.
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-04-01 10:40:56 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
As much as people might want to blame the CSM, CCP also have to take responsibility over what happened.

Why take responsibility when you can just tie the whole thing around The Mittani's neck and hang him with it? Win in the goon-hating (majority) player's eyes, win in the over sensationalist tabloid gaming journalist's eyes, break-even in the eyes of Sony/Nvidia.

Great job guys!
Prince Kobol
#9 - 2012-04-01 10:42:13 UTC
Aiden Andraste wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
As much as people might want to blame the CSM, CCP also have to take responsibility over what happened.

Why take responsibility when you can just tie the whole thing around The Mittani's neck and hang him with it? Win in the goon-hating (majority) player's eyes, win in the over sensationalist tabloid gaming journalist's eyes, break-even in the eyes of Sony/Nvidia.

Great job guys!


Wow..

Butthurt much?
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-04-01 10:54:12 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
trololololo

2010 called. It would like it's tired memes back.
Frying Doom
#11 - 2012-04-01 10:56:59 UTC
Aiden Andraste wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
trololololo

2010 called. It would like it's tired memes back.

Its good to see your argument is so without reason you can't argue with anyone on the merits of it.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Banderlei Shiiba
SSAP KG
#12 - 2012-04-01 11:05:14 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
If fanfest proved anything its that CCP still have a lot learn about being a company.

...

As much as people might want to blame the CSM, CCP also have to take responsibility over what happened.


This is technically true, but in their defense, this WAS the first Fanfest that had this kind of media attention. Naturally, they should have worried far more about the content they were presenting to the world, and in the future I'm sure they will.

Even then though, it took a godawful comment from a player with an uncountable amount of enemies in-game who would gladly use this to their advantage for any variety of reasons (from pragmatic reasons to simply '**** Mittens' reasons) to make this really blow up the way it did. If literally ANYONE else on the panel would have said something similar, the issue likely remains within the forums, assuming there would be an issue at all. That's just bad luck on CCP's part.

The biggest problem was how they handled the punishment, though. Waiting like they did and then throwing it down not even 2 hours after allowing Mittens and the CSM to come up with their own solution is the worst of both worlds, as it gave off the impression that the decision was due to external pressures (media, Sony, angry playerbase) rather than an actual violation of the rules (which should have merited a punishment pretty much immediately). That's a pretty dangerous message to send to a playerbase that exists on the edge of sanity and reason as it is.
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-04-01 11:06:24 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Aiden Andraste wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
trololololo

2010 called. It would like it's tired memes back.

Its good to see your argument is so without reason you can't argue with anyone on the merits of it.

Good to see you're still an asshat.
Frying Doom
#14 - 2012-04-01 11:10:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Aiden Andraste wrote:

Good to see you're still an asshat.

Well I need something to keep the rain off Smile
And I prefer colossal hats.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-04-01 11:26:24 UTC
Richard Aiel wrote:
time to get rid of it

Theyre either too powerful or powerless depending on who you talk to, but Mittens has proven at least one thing through the year, the position of CSM is a liability for the company and should be let go.


NPC alts are is a liability to this EVE-O forum and should be let go.

Or set read-only.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-04-01 16:18:31 UTC
Zoloft Rx wrote:
They're only a liability when they interact with the public.


they need to revoke their ability to talk to the public when they get elected lol

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#17 - 2012-04-01 16:20:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Aiel
SMT008 wrote:
Richard Aiel wrote:
time to get rid of it

Theyre either too powerful or powerless depending on who you talk to, but Mittens has proven at least one thing through the year, the position of CSM is a liability for the company and should be let go.


NPC alts are is a liability to this EVE-O forum and should be let go.

Or set read-only.



um this is my main.... Im coming back from a long vacation

please note the 6 year employment history (not that thats big imo, just shows Im not a newly created posting alt)

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-04-01 16:23:21 UTC
Aiden Andraste wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
As much as people might want to blame the CSM, CCP also have to take responsibility over what happened.

Why take responsibility when you can just tie the whole thing around The Mittani's neck and hang him with it? Win in the goon-hating (majority) player's eyes, win in the over sensationalist tabloid gaming journalist's eyes, break-even in the eyes of Sony/Nvidia.

Great job guys!


damn straight, it wasnt his fault it was the alcohol

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-04-01 16:26:05 UTC
Banderlei Shiiba wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
If fanfest proved anything its that CCP still have a lot learn about being a company.

...

As much as people might want to blame the CSM, CCP also have to take responsibility over what happened.


This is technically true, but in their defense, this WAS the first Fanfest that had this kind of media attention. Naturally, they should have worried far more about the content they were presenting to the world, and in the future I'm sure they will.

Even then though, it took a godawful comment from a player with an uncountable amount of enemies in-game who would gladly use this to their advantage for any variety of reasons (from pragmatic reasons to simply '**** Mittens' reasons) to make this really blow up the way it did. If literally ANYONE else on the panel would have said something similar, the issue likely remains within the forums, assuming there would be an issue at all. That's just bad luck on CCP's part.

The biggest problem was how they handled the punishment, though. Waiting like they did and then throwing it down not even 2 hours after allowing Mittens and the CSM to come up with their own solution is the worst of both worlds, as it gave off the impression that the decision was due to external pressures (media, Sony, angry playerbase) rather than an actual violation of the rules (which should have merited a punishment pretty much immediately). That's a pretty dangerous message to send to a playerbase that exists on the edge of sanity and reason as it is.



Especially given that Mittans works at a gaming press site and can easily garner negative attention to the game (which he's done before) to get such punishments passed

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#20 - 2012-04-01 16:34:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Aiel
can I post here?

Trying to post in the thread you get directed to and every time I try I get "WE WERE GANKED"

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