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Solid Rock
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-04-01 07:12:09 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:

I really don't like the idea of having to sift through mountains of alis' to determine if any player is someone I need to avoid allowing into my corp.


Again, assuming a 12 month cooldown, even if this feature had been introduced on launch day no one character could possibly have more than 9 aliases. The reality of the thing is that you may have to look through 3 or 4 past aliases or, in the case of most players, none.

As for the character trading, are you honestly suggesting that it is a good thing that it is possible to buy someone elses reputation? Potentially wiping your slate clean is a terrible idea but the ability to take on someone elses past achievements completely undeserved is one of the things that makes EVE great? If anything a name wipe aught to be mandatory for traded characters, everyone is afraid of scammers and other criminals escaping justice but have you considered that it is currently possible to buy good-will?
Asudem
Black Spear.
#22 - 2012-04-01 07:49:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Asudem
Barbara Nichole wrote:

I really don't like the idea of having to sift through mountains of alis' to determine if any player is someone I need to avoid allowing into my corp.


You are only making it hard for yourself. Such a person is added to the corp contacts and has a bad standing (eg -10). And you still can leave a notice in that persons profile so YOU WILL remember on the first look why you dont want to let that player join your corp or whatever. No matter how often that person renames itself, even if that pilot is on the other bun of New Eden, you will remember that person and see how his/her current name is no matter what. This name changing will only allow someone to escape the reputation if you are a dumb. And in this case, that person would escape its reputation even without the service to change names.

Thats how I handle my personal list of people that will never join my corp and it works really well while it is just a few seconds up to one minute of time you spend.

Your reputation changes or better evolves through your actions not through your names. If you didnt get that then you didnt understand the way EVE is.
Ariete
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-04-01 11:15:11 UTC
I have played a few games where you could rename, I wish you could rename in eve. In all the other games when you renamed a character the game has updated all records of the old name to the new name. So any lists of banned names from corps would be updated to the new name, any contracts etc etc. So i don't see it an issue there as for time limit most have 30 days.

Wether CCP would do it , I would say no.
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#24 - 2012-04-01 11:28:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Nestara Aldent
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Asudem wrote:

If they are afraid about character recycling on the bazaar, why they have the character bazaar at all? The bazaar itself is the place where characters get recycled, a service to change the name wouldnt make a difference. Or maybe changing the name would even reduce the use of the Bazaar, since old players would rather just change their name instead of starting from the beginning again to achieve their new "identity" in New Eden.


Changing the name of an established character opens a whole new set of problems -- a player that chooses to harass another, and gets on their victim's block list, would just be able to change their name and go around the block. Unrepentant scammers would just be able to change their names and escape the consequinces of their actions.

CCP said a while back that they don't want to give players a way to 'escape' from the results of their character's choices. If you have a bounty on your head, you'll have to deal with it. If you've pis**ed off someone's entire corporation, then you're really up the creek, but -- too bad -- the end result is yours to deal with.

In the offline world, a criminal's name is plastered across the news. He can call himself 'Bob' all he wants, but if someone recognizes him as 'Fred the Escaped Convict', he's going to go back to jail. It's the same thing in EvE -- you can't just walk away from your past like nothing ever happened.


No because the block don't use character name, but char ID number from the database. If you block me and I change name, I'd remain blocked under a new name, because my char ID doesn't change.

Technically its easy to implement.
Rimase
#25 - 2012-04-01 12:26:01 UTC
Attention I want to change my name.

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Wastelander Miccey
Just flying Casual
#26 - 2012-04-01 16:55:08 UTC
What about Character/Toon transfers?!?

If i would transfer THIS toon to another player, the "Toon" identity
would be GONE?! Right..

The Reputation is still there yes, BUT the NEW player is in NO way
responsible for the toons PAST is he now..

I would vote YES on a a way to change CharacterName.
But not at any cost..

A Isk cost YES
Security standing shouldnt matter imho
Once a year, hmm no..That wouldnt be good...
Special stations perhaps. With a Medical Fac. OR a PRIME system

But YES to namechange
Mag's
Azn Empire
#27 - 2012-04-01 17:14:26 UTC
Asudem wrote:
MushroomMushroom wrote:
Also, the arbitrary 5.0 security status thing makes no sense, security status damaging activity is one of the things that does not create a bad reputation amongst players.


Not supposed to be. Criminals shall not rename themselfes, thats the only reason for the sec status requirement.
Being a pirate is a sanctioned and well loved way of life within this sandbox we call Eve. That alone quite frankly, makes your arbitrary limit upon sec status look like a joke.

Also, no.

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Qen Tye
In Between
#28 - 2012-04-01 17:34:22 UTC
Ok as said before:

1) We are talking about a database where any entry have an id. Changing name of any records bound to that id doesnt change anything except the name of the said record. The same id is tied to any blockings, reputation, ships, containers, alts, main, jump clones, skills - basically everything you have accumulated on your account.

2) As I said before - it is not rocket science more a question of willing to do it.

Seriously do any of you think changing a record in database is such a big deal?

Phone companies, aviation companies, logistic companies, pharmaceutical companies, dataware houses, hosting facilities - you name more - You really think they lose track if a company calls and say, 'Hey we are not longer named XX but now XY, please change.'
'Ohhh... sry we cannot do that - cause we just ... eh .... uhm ... we dont want to, ok?'

Most other mmorpgs offer this service for either real money or ingame money - but they offer it and from what I've seen - asshats gets recognized cause a name does not change your personality.

Give me one good and descent reason besides, 'Oh but scammers/criminals bla bla bla' - not valid.

It is a question of

- Will to implement it
- Implement it right

Period!

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Asudem
Black Spear.
#29 - 2012-04-01 17:53:40 UTC
I removed the point that a sec status is needed. Also I think this service could be offered on specific stations for politics. I dont think medical stations fit right into that, but maybe thats just my opinion.

As said, it isnt a big deal of work. A hand full of devs can work out that concept and take the responsebility for testing while just 1-3 are needed to sacrifice a few lunch breaks for this. It could be done within a week (for concept, implementing, testing ect.) and it would take that much time away from the bug fixing team.
Dantes Wolf
Interstellar Corporation of Universal Management
#30 - 2012-04-01 20:54:44 UTC
+1

I'm pretty happy about my name, but need to change it on account of a historical glitch: The Wolf in Dantes Devine Comedy is a Female, so.. ye.. lol - but in short, signed and let it happen, if nothing else, stop the frenzy on "one year cooldown" but let it be a paid service, still with the public namechange/I'D showing up and leading to the same toon ( now with a new name ) instead of the cooldown - it'll give CCP an economic incitement to actually go forward with it, prevent it from being overly abused and ultimately give senior players like "Caldari Citizen 1012010202003" with his 120 Mil SP's a chance to be taken seriously for a change.

And yes, i understand the lore issue, the abusive issue and all the other points made, but.. seriously, fact is most of us making the first year will be here on and off for proberbly the rest of our lives, in smaller or larger scale, and players do get older and change..

I'm for it.

Dantes

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-04-01 22:01:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
Solid Rock wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:

I really don't like the idea of having to sift through mountains of alis' to determine if any player is someone I need to avoid allowing into my corp.


Again, assuming a 12 month cooldown, even if this feature had been introduced on launch day no one character could possibly have more than 9 aliases. The reality of the thing is that you may have to look through 3 or 4 past aliases or, in the case of most players, none.

As for the character trading, are you honestly suggesting that it is a good thing that it is possible to buy someone elses reputation? Potentially wiping your slate clean is a terrible idea but the ability to take on someone elses past achievements completely undeserved is one of the things that makes EVE great? If anything a name wipe aught to be mandatory for traded characters, everyone is afraid of scammers and other criminals escaping justice but have you considered that it is currently possible to buy good-will?



3 would be too much.. to have to reason each name.. for every applicant.. sorry but it's a bad idea. much easier to not allow name changes at all than have to worry about it.

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Asudem
Black Spear.
#32 - 2012-04-02 00:17:01 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:

3 would be too much.. to have to reason each name.. for every applicant.. sorry but it's a bad idea. much easier to not allow name changes at all than have to worry about it.


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Solid Rock
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-04-02 11:00:27 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
3 would be too much.. to have to reason each name.. for every applicant.. sorry but it's a bad idea. much easier to not allow name changes at all than have to worry about it.


So thats your argument? That you are too lazy to want to spend a little longer mulling over an applicant. You are assuming that everyone will start changing their names as often as they possibly can yet this is very unlikely to be the case. There will be perhaps 1 in a dozen applicant with an alias, in fact it may even make things easier.

Consider this, how often will a law abiding player have cause to change their name? Once or twice in a decade perhaps? No more often than every 2 or 3 years atleast. So if you get a corp applicant with a list of, well for the sake of the argument lets say, 7 or 8 aliases on a 3 year old character. Would you really need to look into every one of those aliases to know that he is most likely a bad egg?
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#34 - 2012-04-02 18:08:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Character Bazzar That Away ->
<- CCP saying Never Ever This Away

My only and final stance on this is allow a one time oppertunity to change a name when flipping an account from trial to full.

This game has concequences deal with it.

Also it appears anyone supporting this idea doesnt work in the intel sector.

Also anyone that ever gets thier name changed is likely to never be allowed into another player corp ever again.

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The Hamilton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-04-02 18:17:36 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Asudem wrote:
Changing Character name shouldnt be a big thing to do. You can do it real life by paying money to the regulator agency (at least in Germany) so I thought why it shouldnt be possible in EVE

Needed for changing
* 200 mil ISK cost or 10 mil per letter to change
* Possible only once per year (like the attribute remapping)
* Security Standing of 5.
* Characters on subscripted accounts only

Only on stations of one of the empire factions in H- and LSec.

Added to this idea:
* Public viewable name history.

A nice to have feature for more customization as long as the desired name is possible. Open for discussion



No. In a sand box game like eve your name is your identity and is tied to a history of acts that effect you player to player reputation. I believe you should never be able to change a name once it's penned. Especially since the sale of a character could depend on that character rep.. actions in eve should have consequences - not all based on game mechanics.

I really don't like the idea of having to sift through mountains of alis' to determine if any player is someone I need to avoid allowing into my corp.


Isn't that what employment history is like? It just shows that they had a different name at one time.

I'm happy with this as long as there is a rather large cool down before you can do it again. Maybe one or two years.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#36 - 2012-04-02 18:29:22 UTC
The Hamilton wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Asudem wrote:
Changing Character name shouldnt be a big thing to do. You can do it real life by paying money to the regulator agency (at least in Germany) so I thought why it shouldnt be possible in EVE

Needed for changing
* 200 mil ISK cost or 10 mil per letter to change
* Possible only once per year (like the attribute remapping)
* Security Standing of 5.
* Characters on subscripted accounts only

Only on stations of one of the empire factions in H- and LSec.

Added to this idea:
* Public viewable name history.

A nice to have feature for more customization as long as the desired name is possible. Open for discussion



No. In a sand box game like eve your name is your identity and is tied to a history of acts that effect you player to player reputation. I believe you should never be able to change a name once it's penned. Especially since the sale of a character could depend on that character rep.. actions in eve should have consequences - not all based on game mechanics.

I really don't like the idea of having to sift through mountains of alis' to determine if any player is someone I need to avoid allowing into my corp.


Isn't that what employment history is like? It just shows that they had a different name at one time.

I'm happy with this as long as there is a rather large cool down before you can do it again. Maybe one or two years.



Large employment histories are much easier to read than a name change log. Was in this corp for 2 months, corp closed on him, was in next corp 4 months corp closed. wsa in corp 3 months corp closed.

Hmmm. sounds like a real winner. Most recruiters get lazier and dont even bother anyone with extremly large corp histories.
Name change histories I can seen having lesser mercy because it shows your inability to think ahead.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-04-02 20:59:35 UTC
Reputation is one of the few things that provides any sense of immersion in this game and is more important then SP or isk - there is no justification for making it changeable.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#38 - 2012-04-02 21:13:00 UTC
I'd only endorse this in the event of character tranfers. After all, it's already stated that pretending to be the previous owner of a character is against the rules, so why not just force us to rename characters when they are traded?

(yes I know some people would use this to change names on spies and infiltrators. Their employment history would stay, and they could add a name change to the history as well)

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Zubrette
R3d Fire
#39 - 2012-04-02 22:26:03 UTC
No, if you bought Kartoon's character, you should have to realize that it's coming with a big load of animosity. This is a game where your actions should have penalty/reward.

No name changing, not even if you bought an excellent character with a horrific name, people would just juggle characters between accounts once they griefed enough to where their name was incredibly popular. CEO's would do that once they scam their alliances out of billions of isk.

It's not practical, it's not okay, it's a horrible idea.
None ofthe Above
#40 - 2012-04-02 23:43:34 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
How about with an easily accessible name history? Much like the employment history?

I do think the cooldowns and cost make sense. 1 time per year for a PLEX maybe?

EDIT: I see Floppy beat me to this. I also agree that it should probably be REQUIRED or at least allowed when you buy a character, for the very reason that it's illegal to impersonate the old player. New name (but with a record of the change) fixes that. Could even note the character changed hands there in the name history.

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