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What did CSM6 do wrong to **** so many people off?
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Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#21 - 2012-03-30 07:45:02 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_water_torture


Strangely enough, that's not too far from the truth.

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HELIC0N ONE
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-04-01 10:07:29 UTC
CSM6 demonstrated the shortcomings of CSM 1-5's "add 200 items to a backlog, but don't do anything about getting those items implemented in game" approach, that's why all the bitter babbies hated it so much.
Blake Zacary
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-04-01 12:15:41 UTC
I think the way the CSM presented itself is both a plus and a minus for them.A united front was a great thing when dealing with CCP but not so great when dealing with the player base.In one way this made the CSM appear to have real influence but in another it made them look like Ali G did everything and the rest were just yes men.This was mainly due to the fact that the player base was kept out of the loop as to which CSM rep supported certain ideas or were against certain ideas and what points they put forward themselves.A couple of CSM's actually posted blogs about this issue.

For example due to the lack of proper information for the player base,it's really hard to judge what the CSM reps are actually doing,as we don't really know what each individual is contributing to the CSM.I know personally I would like to see a more open,honest and clear CSM.As a voter I want to know if the individual I voted for is doing a good job or not !
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2012-04-01 20:39:00 UTC
Kai Tel wrote:
They represented the interests of a vocal few in the face of a formerly quiet majority that will not take it anymore...


How so?

I don't remember a massive revolt in the polls, the chairman got a humongous mandate even more than last time (including even more non-goons), and most well known candidates who ran were re-elected.

In fantasy alternate world, yea whatever delusional ideas you have are reality. To bad the rest of us are in the real world.
MEPH1ST0
Masonic Guard
#25 - 2012-04-01 22:06:34 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Please explain to me in simple terms why CSM6 was so bad.



Took credit for the incarna revolt after originally backstabbing the players. I like how they liked incarna at first.

Then took credit for CCP changing policy when it was the mass unsubs that did it.

They stole the players victory and stamped it with their name.

Looking at mitten particular.


This, basically
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#26 - 2012-04-02 04:05:32 UTC
MEPH1ST0 wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Please explain to me in simple terms why CSM6 was so bad.



Took credit for the incarna revolt after originally backstabbing the players. I like how they liked incarna at first.

Then took credit for CCP changing policy when it was the mass unsubs that did it.

They stole the players victory and stamped it with their name.

Looking at mitten particular.


This, basically


I'm going to C&P this here, because I remember this happening.

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Things like the micro-transactions, that caused the protests, were NOT discussed with the CSM. Pricing of Aurum store things certainly wasn't discussed with the CSM.
I've never actually seen any CSM 6 member take credit fro CCP changing their direction, rather they've said that because of increased communication between CCP and the CSM the game has become better.
Maybe *you* should run for the CSM and correct the terrible terrible injustice that's been done?

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-04-02 08:27:33 UTC
I guess people still don't understand what the CSM; they represent us, the player at the stakeholders table.

You might have noticed last year CCP wasted time on side projects, walking in stations, world of emogoth.

People then got mad and FiS got worked on and all the top things that players wanted got fixed got looked at, oddly enough in line with the short list the CSM wanted looked at.

They also took the massive backlog of player requests and prioritised them for CCP, so it could fit in with there development process.

Anyway, if CSM 6 was so bad, why do so many people, both players and CCP speak so positively? Right now the only negatives are from highsec publords who can't actually name any negatives specifically.
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