EVE General Discussion

Thats what Im talking about, no skills are max, fittings are correct, mods are not pimp though (and I know the importance of faction web and all, seriously Im not talking out of my arse here).

Xearal, this is exactly the sort of story that got me excited about Incursions, you get an invite easily make a couple hundred a day, etc.. Then again I havent bothered with it for over a month so things might have changed. Either Im very very very unlucky or there is something Im missing here.

And yes logistics is the only thing I havent tried, and it seems they are always in demand, no denying that.

Isn't what's his name screwing over all the Incursion farmers now by killing the mothership every chance he gets?

I don't "do" PVE at all normally. However I did a quick test and I can confirm that scimitar/guardian/sleipnir/claymore all seem to be very acceptable to Incursion fleets.

I would say that unless you setup your own fleet then "pickup times" are pretty variable - ranges from instant invite to 20+ minutes.

I don't see a great problem with it - want an instant invite then fly something useful with good/perfect skills or "FC" it yourself....

I am guessing you don't play much then. You have never lost much isk, you don't have many kills, 3 bil isk is nothing also (My implants costs more then your wallet). We have a noob friend in our corp who has more isk then you and he has been living a pirate life lately. Many of my friends isk ceeling is between 20 and +100 billion. Maybe you should try trade or w-space sometime. You should be making billions a week due to your age or your doing it wrong.

To those fellows who didn't get an invite for hours of x'ing up. It's not because of bad luck it is because you were not wanted.
It's easy and simple as that.

Your ship is not needed? Well guess what you won't get a fleet.

You don't even need 1b isk to get into an "elitist fleet". A tripple/quadro webbed loki will be loved in a vanguard fleet, a sleipnir loved as well, scimitar, basilisk etc. etc.

Don't blame it on other people when the issue is you.
Now if you could take a moment to tell us what ship you were x'ing up with and that fit we could perhaps tell you what you did wrong etc. Instead of just throwing non-constructive statements out there.
You can also hit me up on mail, would love to answer you. This is coming from someone who has done incursions for 8 months so questions, history, tactics etc. I'll be able to help you out with or get you in contact with someone who does know.

fly fun o7

Baddon isnt bad for armor fleets when fitted properly, but if there are pirate/faction battleships or t3s x-ing up, fc probably wont pick it. If you told someone to f off, dont be surprised you got no invite.

Its also unlikely you would meet many "elitist pricks" in public channels these days. Most people there just realise, its very worth it to invest 1,5-2bil isk into their incursion ship, because it pays in no time and its much more efficient than t1 battleship - much more efficient at getting fleet invites too.

fc's will also post in multiple channels so it might not hurt to be a bit proactive and open comms with them to link your fit
granted fc's are also busy individuals and can still take a minute to get around to looking at your chat window ^.^

I'm sorry then you weren't online when I was asking for an x up, and that everyone else I met when I did try to have a go at it doesn't seem to behave the same way you do, nevertheless, the 'system' is not friendly for people trying to have a go at it, not many (if not the majority) trying it knows there are 2 channels for armor/shield fleets apart from the main public local one, and obviously ppl having a go at it won't be spending billions in ships just to be accepted in a fleet, issues that do exist that are very unforgiving and you didn't mentioned them.

They are prone to be interpreted as elitist, is it a CCP problem for designing a system that allows for such problems for entry level players ? I don't know, probably not, I would probably blame the human behavior first but then that would hurt the ego of many ppl that identifies itself with said elitist and dismiss it right away throwing away the blame to others (like I keep reading in this thread).

Yes there's always new ppl with not enough SP's trying to get a go at it, there's the eventual moron, but in the middle of that, there's actually experienced players that never tried it and would be willing to give it a shot, yet they get treated really bad.

Mind you, I'm not the only one, I've got in contact with many that have just given up just because the impression people get is incursion runners are just a very tight elitist and closed circle where you need to be highly reference to get in, which imo, is bad to the game itself.

Honestly, I don't know, but I believe there has to be solutions to it, be it CCP changing Incursions in someway be it the players.

I keep finding sites about Incursions in google, it's like bazillions, and you have no idea which ones are outdated, there is indeed a lack of central repository for it, maybe evewiki ? It's being revamped so it's probably a good time for it, or even EvE-Uni wiki, I'm positive they would gladly allow the hosting of such good information.

Everything you said makes sense and is pretty valid, nevertheless it doesn't excuse general 'Incursion players' attitudes towards others as you can actually see in this thread, you were the only one pointing valid problems as to what certain behaviors happen while the rest simply dismisses the behavior criticism outright with something like 'It's your problem' or 'You are the problem' or something similar which is not true in every situations and the general elitist principle get's to be the immediate thought.

Now a small rant about changes and solutions and whatever.

People have been constantly whining about the community solutions for the game, the thing is, the community is not the one who should be responsible to find solutions for the game problems, were the ones that should point out game problems, and/or clever use of game mechanics to ease our game play which later on could be a new feature (read alliances/corps back then) but it's not the community responsibility to supply solutions, it's the game developers it's their job to find solutions to our problems (be it by fixing existing content or adding new features) because only they know the resources they have, the knowledge of how easy/hard it is to implement any given change/feature and how feasible it is to do so, players can only guess, and wish about what they would think it would be cool and dandy, but it's not always practical/feasible to implement.

Like this the issues you appointed above are not our responsibility to supply solutions for, it is our responsibility to expose what problems there are, it's CCP responsibility to address them the best way they see fit.

CCP wants the game to be more accessible to new players, NPA is still light years away from being perfect (but walking there) unfortunately everything else in the game apart from the initial NPA is so cumbersome that players outright give up, either because ppl engaged in community activities have no tools to do so, or because it's just too cumbersome for the reward they get.

Anyway, this is obviously my opinion, and like all opinions others might not share it, so let's leave it that way.

Is it me, or in thread where there is proper exchange of ideas and an healthy discussion the developers avoid participating ?

Most of the blue tagged threads are either feedback requests, or random funny posts (apart from a couple or two rare ones), the ones with actual exchange of ideas and 'juice' tend to be forgotten...

My impression at least.