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Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#21 - 2012-04-01 05:51:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Revolution Rising
Ai Shun wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:
You know I never liked this guy. He's an obvious sociopath, he has laughed and others tears for so long he can't even comprehend the irony of his own predicament and the fallout thereof.


You have an issue. There is a very big difference between The Mittani (Leader of the Goonswarm and in-game villian) and the person behind the character.


This is the perception "wonderful" team working overtime.

The problem is - there isn't much of a difference. There's a name difference. There's no personality difference. We KNOW this.

If anything, the alchohol let his guard down, he sat there doing what he does best. Whether it's Alex/Mittani, it's all his creation and all his responsibility. Trying to shirk that responsibility by saying "that's not really ME" then which human being is it ?

He apologies rang false - even to the victim, and he can't even admit that the ban was fair play by CCP.

I think this shows EXACTLY who he is - and nothing to do with the mittani "character".

I don't even see this argument. You're suggesting that the leader of goonswarm ... is a roleplayer?

Ok good luck with that one.

He's playing the "evil overlord of goonswarm" ?

Please dude, that insults everyone's intelligence in SO many ways.

He's just being.... him.

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Ai Shun
#22 - 2012-04-01 05:57:06 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:
You know I never liked this guy. He's an obvious sociopath, he has laughed and others tears for so long he can't even comprehend the irony of his own predicament and the fallout thereof.


You have an issue. There is a very big difference between The Mittani (Leader of the Goonswarm and in-game villian) and the person behind the character.


This is the perception "wonderful" team working overtime.

The problem is - there isn't much of a difference. There's a name difference. There's no personality difference. We KNOW this.

If anything, the alchohol let his guard down, he sat there doing what he does best. Whether it's Alex/Mittani, it's all his creation and all his responsibility. Trying to shirk that responsibility by saying "that's not really ME" then which human being is it ?

He apologies rang false - even to the victim, and he can't even admit that the ban was fair play by CCP.

I think this shows EXACTLY who he is - and nothing to do with the mittani "character".

I don't even see this argument. You're suggesting that the leader of goonswarm ... is a roleplayer?

Ok good luck with that one.

He's playing the "evil overlord of goonswarm" ?

Please dude, that insults everyone's intelligence in SO many ways.

He's just being.... him.


You are attributing a lot to the person based off his in-game character. Yes, he made a horrible mistake. He admitted it and apologised, resigned and tried to recompense the miner (who wrote that EVE Mail about 5 months ago)

Are human beings allowed to make mistakes - even horrible ones?

Can they atone for that?

Or do you really think he is a "sociopath"? I think you are stretching credulity here a bit and letting your hatred of Goonswarm and the Mittani affect your judgement as a human being; but that is my opinion.
Sister Rhode
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-04-01 05:57:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Sister Rhode
Revolution Rising wrote:
You know I never liked this guy. He's an obvious sociopath, he has laughed and others tears for so long he can't even comprehend the irony of his own predicament and the fallout thereof.



Outside of the fanfest debacle, provide some sort of evidence to support this. Sure he's made some people cry for losing ships, isk balances, dread caches, space and trusted directors in-game, but all of that is a part of Eve, and encouraged by the game's culture.

You are making claims that Alex is a horrible person in real life, which is 100% unfounded and completely ridiculous.

You don't even know the guy.
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#24 - 2012-04-01 06:06:10 UTC
Sister Rhode wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:
You know I never liked this guy. He's an obvious sociopath, he has laughed and others tears for so long he can't even comprehend the irony of his own predicament and the fallout thereof.



Outside of the fanfest debacle, provide some sort of evidence to support this. Sure he's made some people cry for losing ships, isk balances, dread caches, space and trusted directors in-game, but all of that is a part of Eve, and encouraged by the game's culture.

You are making claims that Alex is a horrible person in real life, which is 100% unfounded and completely ridiculous.

You don't even know the guy.


That WAS amazingly enough - real life. Most of what we do here, is actual people talking to other ... actual people. The relationships we form here are real enough - even if the gameplay isn't.

If you logged into game tomorrow and got harassed in game constantly by your own corp or alliance and there was no let up.

You'd not leave because you're playing a role and who cares amirite ? Or would you do the human thing and just up and leave ?

Don't get me wrong, I don't want eve to change. However, I think certain cultures need to. I don't think the rest of us need to subject ourselves to what's "normal in america".

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Amity Lane
Hek Mining Association
#25 - 2012-04-01 06:10:29 UTC
Well, I guess we're in the "aftermath phase" now. Hopefully that'll just help all this stuff fade away and everyone can move on.

I don't think Mittani believes he deserved to be banned. He definitely did one hell of a job skirting the question on EVE Radio last night at least. I get the impression that he feels the harshness of his punishment (ban, removal from CSM, etc.) was to "make an example" of him because of the increased corporate presence/pressure due to the forthcoming release of Dust. Given the evidence we have at hand it seems possible, and maybe even probable.

There's no denying that in the aftermath of this he is "criminal-turned-victim" in a certain sense. In their pursuit of stories the gaming media has distorted some facts surrounding both him and the incident (to the point of borderline libel), people threatening him and his family with physical harm, someone apparently calling the police and sending them to his house...yeah. Some of these wrongs are being corrected, some aren't. All are most likely affecting him negatively to some degree though. I know they would me.

I think a lot of people are allowing their personal feelings cloud their judgement of this incident and keep them from examining the actual facts. Whether or not you like Mittani is irrelevant. He's certainly a polarizing figure. However, none of that matters in a situation that's supposed to be decided objectively. That's how this kind of thing works. Just ask Aristotle: "The law is reason free from passion."If we start declaring people guilty of stuff simply because we don't like those people, we descend into anarchy.
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#26 - 2012-04-01 06:10:47 UTC
Basically, the point is...

There's a huge difference between apologising for something because it's the right thing to do and you're truly repentant.
And apologising for something because it's politically expedient.

It's only on further analysis of the person's disposition toward any punishment that you can tell the difference.

His inability to say that the ban was justified kind of speaks volumes.

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-04-01 06:12:37 UTC
I'm tired of this monkey fighting posts on this Monday to Friday forum....

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Spring Blue
Lamorei Prosapia Vexillum
#28 - 2012-04-01 06:13:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Spring Blue
Sister Rhode wrote:
Outside of the fanfest debacle, provide some sort of evidence to support this. Sure he's made some people cry for losing ships, isk balances, dread caches, space and trusted directors in-game, but all of that is a part of Eve, and encouraged by the game's culture.

You are making claims that Alex is a horrible person in real life, which is 100% unfounded and completely ridiculous.

You don't even know the guy.


1, Most wouldn't care either way if not for the debacle, EVE is EVE.
2, Until the debacle.
3, Since the debacle, many now probably go good why would I want to know him, and even a few forum posts from people who did know him now wish they didn't.

There's always been a very very fine line in how people perceive mittani and the goons. Some hated him and them anyway so no change, but a hell of a lot of fence sitters now think.. oh so every excuse we ever heard before was just crap and he is a complete douche out the game as well. And you back up your hero as a sheep, and we'll think that about you too.
Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels
#29 - 2012-04-01 06:13:32 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Spring Blue wrote:
Being drunk is NOT an excuse, and as Mittani is a lawyer he knows this, but still used it as part of his apology.


Good thing he did not use it as an excuse then, right?

The Mittani wrote:
There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.


See, people make judgements without knowing what really happened. You get the basics wrong - how much else are you wrong about? I don't know, but judging by your rant I'm guessing quite a bit.
The underlined text is where Mittani tries to use alchol as an excuse. No he doesn't come right out with it, but does imply it. It's a tactic that lawyers love to use. Coincidence? I thnk not. Roll
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#30 - 2012-04-01 06:14:36 UTC
I think the day before yesterday I made a post saying I don't think they should ban him...

After the eve radio interview however, I think they probably should've made it permanent.

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Ai Shun
#31 - 2012-04-01 06:15:37 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
Basically, the point is...

There's a huge difference between apologising for something because it's the right thing to do and you're truly repentant.
And apologising for something because it's politically expedient.

It's only on further analysis of the person's disposition toward any punishment that you can tell the difference.

His inability to say that the ban was justified kind of speaks volumes.


And you do not know the guy. You are making a judgement; one that looks incorrect based off the comments from people who actually do know him.

Anyway, I'm tired of trying to reason with people like you. You have an axe to grind and I don't need to convince you otherwise - because not even the CEO of CCP or The Wis himself coming on here to tell you to move on will help you get over whatever is making you this unreasonable.
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#32 - 2012-04-01 06:15:53 UTC
Jet Aeon wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Spring Blue wrote:
Being drunk is NOT an excuse, and as Mittani is a lawyer he knows this, but still used it as part of his apology.


Good thing he did not use it as an excuse then, right?

The Mittani wrote:
There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.


See, people make judgements without knowing what really happened. You get the basics wrong - how much else are you wrong about? I don't know, but judging by your rant I'm guessing quite a bit.
The underlined text is where Mittani tries to use alchol as an excuse. No he doesn't come right out with it, but does imply it. It's a tactic that lawyers love to use. Coincidence? I thnk not. Roll


Those who know the difference between right and wrong don't need the law.
Those who have the law do not need to know the difference between right and wrong.
!?

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Amity Lane
Hek Mining Association
#33 - 2012-04-01 06:16:25 UTC
Jet Aeon wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Spring Blue wrote:
Being drunk is NOT an excuse, and as Mittani is a lawyer he knows this, but still used it as part of his apology.


Good thing he did not use it as an excuse then, right?

The Mittani wrote:
There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.


See, people make judgements without knowing what really happened. You get the basics wrong - how much else are you wrong about? I don't know, but judging by your rant I'm guessing quite a bit.
The underlined text is where Mittani tries to use alchol as an excuse. No he doesn't come right out with it, but does imply it. It's a tactic that lawyers love to use. Coincidence? I thnk not. Roll

Ironically enough, the underlined text suggests the opposite. He's saying "while some people could say I could blame the alcohol, I chose to drink it in the first place, therefore I'm not using that as an excuse."
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#34 - 2012-04-01 06:16:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Revolution Rising
Ai Shun wrote:

And you do not know the guy. You are making a judgement; one that looks incorrect based off the comments from people who actually do know him.

Anyway, I'm tired of trying to reason with people like you. You have an axe to grind and I don't need to convince you otherwise - because not even the CEO of CCP or The Wis himself coming on here to tell you to move on will help you get over whatever is making you this unreasonable.


What axe is that? That interview changed my mind about his ban altogether.

He should be gone for good.

Your reasoning that we need to know personally every player that does anything wrong in order to make a judgement call on his/her actions and when listening to an interview with them in it still can't make that judgement call is spurious.

Why would ANYONE ANYWHERE listen to radio or TV interviews if this were the case ?

You're ridiculous.

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Ai Shun
#35 - 2012-04-01 06:18:45 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
What axe is that? That interview changed my mind about his ban altogether.


See above about, for example, the alcohol. You don't have a clue what is going on. But let's see something.

I cancelled two of my three accounts as a protest against the lack of CCP response to this issue. Beyond bitching on a forum, what have you done to communicate your displeasure to CCP?

Or are you just a forum warrior out to get the Mittani?
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#36 - 2012-04-01 06:19:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Lapine Davion
Jet Aeon wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Spring Blue wrote:
Being drunk is NOT an excuse, and as Mittani is a lawyer he knows this, but still used it as part of his apology.


Good thing he did not use it as an excuse then, right?

The Mittani wrote:
There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.


See, people make judgements without knowing what really happened. You get the basics wrong - how much else are you wrong about? I don't know, but judging by your rant I'm guessing quite a bit.
The underlined text is where Mittani tries to use alchol as an excuse. No he doesn't come right out with it, but does imply it. It's a tactic that lawyers love to use. Coincidence? I thnk not. Roll


Uh, but alcohol DOES put a person into a compromised mental state.

What he is saying is that he wouldn't have said anything like that if he had been sober, but that fact doesn't make it okay.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#37 - 2012-04-01 06:20:54 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:
What axe is that? That interview changed my mind about his ban altogether.


See above about, for example, the alcohol. You don't have a clue what is going on. But let's see something.

I cancelled two of my three accounts as a protest against the lack of CCP response to this issue. Beyond bitching on a forum, what have you done to communicate your displeasure to CCP?

Or are you just a forum warrior out to get the Mittani?



He is. Just another forum pubbie with an axe to grind.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#38 - 2012-04-01 06:31:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Revolution Rising
Ai Shun wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:
What axe is that? That interview changed my mind about his ban altogether.


See above about, for example, the alcohol. You don't have a clue what is going on. But let's see something.

I cancelled two of my three accounts as a protest against the lack of CCP response to this issue. Beyond bitching on a forum, what have you done to communicate your displeasure to CCP?

Or are you just a forum warrior out to get the Mittani?



I actually sent email to the CCP public affairs guy. I won't be unsubbing for something someone else did out of the game ... Perhaps you're confusing in-game with out of game ?

I don't give a crap about Mittani, I'd really like to see CCP come down hard on this kind of behaviour however.

Frankly, 1 month ban for an unrepentant cyber-bully who thinks as long as people like you defend him that he can do or say anything he likes ... is lame.

I did say straight up I have never really liked the guy. But I wished him no malice.

I wish to stamp on the behaviour, I wouldn't have cared if it was seleene, trebor or anyone from CCP.

It's not reasonable to have to put up with it.

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Spring Blue
Lamorei Prosapia Vexillum
#39 - 2012-04-01 06:49:10 UTC
CCP clamping down on it...

If that were the case some of the last people friended by mittani's fb acount wouldn't be ccp employee's.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#40 - 2012-04-01 06:51:08 UTC
Also, the CEO wouldn't have tweeted that he still thinks Mittani is a good guy.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]