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Why is hi-sec considered dangerous?

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-04-01 02:43:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
move your pod to hek.
you might see me.

edit: that sounds worse than it's actually meant. :D
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#22 - 2012-04-01 02:45:41 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
I've lost plenty of ships in HS, but all were my fault (stole loot from those at war, stayed in space too long after hoping for more). In 2 years of play though, never have I been ganked.


Wait... there was that one guy who ganked me in his Zealot with me in a salvager fit Inquisitor. I'm still scratching my head at that one.

Some random crazy lowsec person once suicided his absolution on one of my corpmates when our corp was just starting out. NFI what he was thinking there.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-04-01 04:07:36 UTC
if your in safe alliance nullsec territory you can see all 3 people in local and know they are friendly

you have alliance intel so you know if anyone is near you at all to begin with

since its nullsec you assume anyone not blue is an enemy, therefore enemy in local = warp to safe spot and cloak, warp to a pos, or dock in a station

in highsec if someone is in local you can't assume he will kill you, or even can kill you it might be a frieghter or something

your mining, noobie frigate warps to your belt... is it a noob? or a suicide gank scout? you cant tell.. what if a guy warped to your belt cloaked? local has to many randoms to know if it happened.. then you die

many people have over 1bil isk
a tornado cost 50mil or so
a tornado can kill 2 mackinaws, or 1 hulk in 1 volley before concord kills them.. if a rich guy is bored, you can be killed even if your loot is worthless. in nullsec you have the protection of "don't know him, he is enemy"

finally, much of nullsec is empty... you can go days without seeing anyone if your in your blue space if you do see someone its a friendly.

nullsec is like a desert diamond mine, starved of supplies but money is great, sometimes random people try and kill you
highsec is like a city, some people make it big, most work minimum wage
lowsec is nullsec without the benefits. you CAN make more isk, but lots more people and worse mining and other stuff compared to null.

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
The Initiative.
#24 - 2012-04-01 04:24:00 UTC
http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=6_34&page=3

Theres an article about suicide ganking, your answers may be in there

Hmmm

EnslaverOfMinmatar
You gonna get aped
#25 - 2012-04-01 05:33:24 UTC
Hisec is dangerous because it's infested with CONCORD. One mis-click and your ship is toast.

Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07

Vyl Vit
#26 - 2012-04-01 10:54:48 UTC
I've been on the force for thirty years and only had to unholster my gun once...to crack some walnuts.

Piloting in high sec, low sec, null sec...sitting at your desk daydreaming; these can all be dangerous activities if not done correctly. I knew a kid once who could fall out of a kitchen chair without trying. He'd be sitting there, then you'd hear a sound like a bag of bones hitting the floor. He was as amazed as the rest of us!

I'm giving a course on situational awareness beginning in May. It's only 100 billion ISK for two weeks. Sign up. I'll show you how to make hi sec dangerous.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Khadann
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-04-01 13:03:27 UTC
Darius III wrote:
http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=6_34&page=3

Theres an article about suicide ganking, your answers may be in there



I read this and thought "**** my life, **** this silly game"
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#28 - 2012-04-01 13:05:02 UTC
Who exactly considers high-sec "dangerous"? Yes, ganks happen, but that's still far from dangerous.
Khadann
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-04-01 13:06:23 UTC
Ok, noob questions:

How hard is it to gank a freighter in High sec?

Also, how can i know that a courier mission is a trap in the list of contracts offered? how to recognise them?
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#30 - 2012-04-01 13:15:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ioci
Khadann wrote:
Ok, noob questions:

How hard is it to gank a freighter in High sec?

Also, how can i know that a courier mission is a trap in the list of contracts offered? how to recognise them?


Courier missions may not all be scams but I have never seen one worth the time. Calculate by jump how much you will make. Look at route. It might not be a "scam" in the traditional sense but chances are it's a waste of time.
Ganking a lone freighter in .5 sec is usually done because the freighter is on autopilot. If you are mashing the buttonss to make that trip, hitting wapr at every concord pop, the chances of someone getting your hull down is very low. Unless they are willing to lose 20 battlecruisers or battleships in a full volley takedown. Mechanic 5, you have a million hitpoints between them and an insurance mail.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#31 - 2012-04-01 13:26:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
It is not particularly hard to gank a freighter in high-sec, and there's plenty of guides around for how to do it. If you put your mind to it, you can do it. The point is, due to CONCORD, you will always lose your ship / ships as a result, so it only makes sense to do it for profession if the loot will likely pay for your losses. Thus you are mostly in danger if your cargo is expensive enough (I am not sure what the current limit is, and the new exploit notification changes it). If you freighter stuff, you will want to know where the limit is and take a friend and not fly afk if you are above it. There are some grief ganking, where people do it just for the hell of it, but if you regularly trade in freighterloads of stuff and have some business sense, they incur a risk so small that it can be absorbed by your business.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#32 - 2012-04-01 14:09:39 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Tanthos wrote:
I've been playing, off and on, for about 2 years. Never once have I been ganked in hi-sec. Not once. Not even when i was a total noob. I'm beginning to think there's something wrong with me. Are my ships not good enough to get blown up?



Start doing something relevant or worth their time and you'll get all the ganks you crave for.


No one has ever tried to gank me or any of my alts either. Clearly my faction fit Tengu isn't pimped enough Sad

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#33 - 2012-04-01 17:17:00 UTC
The map view showing ships blown up in the last 24 hours is why it's considered dangerous.

You can argue all you want, but when it comes down to it the destruction speaks for itself.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-04-01 17:22:14 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
I've lost plenty of ships in HS, but all were my fault (stole loot from those at war, stayed in space too long after hoping for more). In 2 years of play though, never have I been ganked.


Wait... there was that one guy who ganked me in his Zealot with me in a salvager fit Inquisitor. I'm still scratching my head at that one.


It depends on situation. In early days of incursions, people would gank all salvagers on field right before mothership fell to prevent looting. Some people just really don't like ninja salvagers. An alt to take them out and a really cheap ship.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Doris Dents
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-04-01 18:27:59 UTC
Hi-sec is dangerous if you're outrageously stupid or careless. Because that's the natural state of the carebear they whine to have the devs make their play style 100% risk free WoW style, even though this would screw up the game in terrible ways. At it's heart the carebear's demands are pure selfishness because they have hundreds of completely safe MMOs to choose from which cater to their needs but they still insist the one or two that incorporate some risk must be reforged to their needs.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-04-01 18:45:29 UTC
Khadann wrote:
Ok, noob questions:

How hard is it to gank a freighter in High sec?

Also, how can i know that a courier mission is a trap in the list of contracts offered? how to recognise them?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12919155

about that hard

being suicide ganked isn't a real threat, it's more of a simple calculation of value of goods you're carrying / drop percentage vs cost of ships needed to deliver damage greater then the EHP of your ship
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-04-01 18:50:51 UTC
try to fly active tanked officer fitted tengu. Big smile
and broadcast your fit to everyone at every possible chanell with information about system you are in.. and then accept random people in fleet when they ask Big smile

???

problem solved.
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