Science & Industry

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fair points, but the hulk by in large is still playing with a fixed deck of cards and it needs to stop.

for instance, the hulk aligns like a battleship. under normal propulsion is as slow as a freighter. and yet fits medium rigs like any battlecruiser out there. and yet it can't mount a tank comparable to any of them. so even though you can mount a 30-40k buffer tank, it's still bullshit.

it should not be possible for a 14-day throw away alt to get put into a gallente destroyer, with blasters and go out and be able to solo a hulk even if it was fitted with a small deadspace booster tank setup.

yes i know i know active tank is bad. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. well.........maybe it does considering how some chumps fit their hulks. with no tanks even. my point is that even with that fit a 14-day trail alt should not be able to solo a hulk fitted as such before concord shows up. that's BS in my book!

the point about the rig size is that this ship is somewhere (hull size wise) in the category in the real of a battlecruier. yet does not share anything close to a BCs mobility.

and yeah i don't think the hulk should get a tank comparable to a drake buffer wise. i think 50k is fair. after all it's still going to be as freakin slow moving as a frieghter.

exactly! just another compounding problem to this game in general.

just because it can doesn't mean it should be able to.

I like the way mining is currently. It is not for everyone sure but it works with no real complaints. If there were tweaks to be made I would recommend personally that they be additions or something not changes to existing belts etc.

Examples.

Botting - Make a real long term effort to stop it. It is an issue.

New Scan sites - I would love to see what the art department would make a comet or deep space ore belt look like.

Miners Defenses - I think a decent possible solution would be to allow miners to deploy a few sentry drones against ganking. There are a lot of concerns though with this idea and it would need to be serious thought about to be balanced out. for example it will only shoot at players who get aggression against the miner so they aren't used to auto rat belts. Make them anchorable possibly. Also most importantly make it to where you cant deploy enough to alpha a ganker. They idea is to give you a chance not be invincible. Like I said this idea if even feasible would need a lot of thought and feedback to it.

Ore Compression - either make it to where an orca can use it or maybe a T3 or new mining ship that is smaller or can perform compression in high sec.

Covetor skill time - it would probably work to review this. although if it never changes that is fine with me it does fill a need and it doesn't seem really off.

Another possible idea would be a scan site where you have to salvage out a ruined station for salvage adn or minerals using strip miners to cut it or even salvager's to strip parts from it.

Low Sec mining - Maybe make a anchorable defense platform or sentry gun of some type to make it a little safer to balance out the rewards for risk. If this is feasible it would need to only be usable in low or null sec and again there needs to be a lot of though and balance concerns regarding this.


I am just advocating some ideas for this. I am pretty happy with how everything works as is. It would be interesting to see some new mining content but not necessarily something as extreme as an overhaul.

I really like this idea. It also makes having T1 module BPO's worth having for something other than invention.



A few people have suggested this. I agree that the ore compositions should be changed, I don't think we should remove Nocx and Iso from high-sec. I think nocx is about where it should be rarity wise in high-sec, but iso should be a bit rarer(about 1.5 times as rare as nocx based on the mineral basket ratio).

What is wrong with mining?

Except that it is so boring that the greatest challenge is to not fall out of your chair when you fall asleep mining.

Except that there is not reason whatsoever to reserve some minerals for lowsec only. (Or did you devs fail to notice all those ores shipped from lowsec into JITA?)

Except that players make their own botting macros to escape the boredom of mining? Or run missions instead (40% of all minerals originate from mission loot unless I have missed any recent change?)

Time for some change?

Issler Dainze knows nothing about mining despite years of mining. Film at 11.

I agree with all your points but number 2.

Sorry but not only must the risk be worth the reward but the reward should be worth the risk. Mackinaws are paper thin and are ganked as easily as looking at them. There is no way to effectively tank them as they do not have the slots for a good tank.. yes, they give a great boost for ice yield but if you are going to make the occupation this dangerous even in high sec you must allow the reward to continue.

I have corp mates who have lost 6 macks in one month in high sec ice mining. If you slash ice not only will they not be able to replace their ships but the cost of fueling their high sec pos' will climb even further.. making that also unrealistic. There must be better ways to deal with bots short of reducing a profession to an unprofitable time sink.

Defending the ganker like he's some kind of victim made me laugh. The truth is a determined ganker can gank anything - otherwise you'd never see orca or freighter ganks in high sec. Hulks and especially Macks need a small boost in survivability. Bellieve me, the ganks will still happen without forcing the Mack into the role of a really attractive and defenseless sexual assault victim.

I hope the op understands that as a CSM "for the miner" you do not just represent low sec and null sec miners. Be careful of thoughtless inititives designed to gut high sec for the sake of the 20% of the eve population that play outside of empire.