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PL gets 15trillion isk banned in recent RMT bannings

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Padme Amidala Naberrie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2012-03-31 16:52:08 UTC
Kytoth wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote:

As long as *all* the major alliances are investigated and those that RMT are similarly actioned.

You'd have to be very naive to think that only PL were at it.........................

PAN


Which is why I am looking forwards to the next few days.


Do you really think they manually looked at alliances/corps/chars? I'm pretty sure they ran some DB script looking for suspicious transfers, which are pretty hard to define, and then just removed all the isk said script flagged / banned flagged accounts.


You might well be right but I would have thought that *someone* within CCP took a look at this *before* a final decision to take the ISK from PL was made.

We would hope at any rate.

PAN
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2012-03-31 16:52:13 UTC
Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
CCP Sreegs you need to show a similar Goonswarm RMT sweep before people start thinking you are pulling a T20.

The evil EvE playerbase will obviously suspect that as former GS leader you would rush in help of GS now that they are in difficulty due to the Fanfest incident and PL could take advantage.

Creaming the GS enemies right after Mittani's ban without a similar mirror operation on GS WILL be seen as Developer involvement in game.


The fact that our alliance wallet wasn't touched.


Yet.......................

PAN


Don't hold your breath.

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2012-03-31 16:53:14 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
CCP Sreegs you need to show a similar Goonswarm RMT sweep before people start thinking you are pulling a T20.

The evil EvE playerbase will obviously suspect that as former GS leader you would rush in help of GS now that they are in difficulty due to the Fanfest incident and PL could take advantage.

Creaming the GS enemies right after Mittani's ban without a similar mirror operation on GS WILL be seen as Developer involvement in game.

rumor says elusif got hit

if that is true expect a lot of CFC members to have negative wallets.

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#124 - 2012-03-31 16:53:46 UTC
Kytoth wrote:
I think it should be obvious that a Char doing ship reimbursement from his own wallet for a 1000+ pilot alliance might look alot like an RMT'er, e.g. both give large amounts of isk to lots of people for no apparent reason.

Especially to some script crawling the DB.

Ofc PL could also have accepted large amounts of RMT'ed isk for their contracts with certain alliances.

I'd however be slow with pointing fingers, I'm pretty sure CCP's program has some major flaws in it.


Sounds like a perfect place to try to hide your RMT trades in. I'm also quite confident, that they don't remove trillions from a major alliance without some input by a human. It might be a mistake of some sort, but I'm doubtful that it's just a flaw in a program.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#125 - 2012-03-31 16:54:10 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
rumor says elusif got hit

if that is true expect a lot of CFC members to have negative wallets.


he did wololol

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#126 - 2012-03-31 17:04:49 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:

rumor says elusif got hit

if that is true expect a lot of CFC members to have negative wallets.


A few inderviduals wallets in CFC have gone negetive. The general responce in the CFC is "AHAHAHAHAHA"
Kytoth
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2012-03-31 17:07:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Kytoth
Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote:
Kytoth wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Padme Amidala Naberrie wrote:

As long as *all* the major alliances are investigated and those that RMT are similarly actioned.

You'd have to be very naive to think that only PL were at it.........................

PAN


Which is why I am looking forwards to the next few days.


Do you really think they manually looked at alliances/corps/chars? I'm pretty sure they ran some DB script looking for suspicious transfers, which are pretty hard to define, and then just removed all the isk said script flagged / banned flagged accounts.


You might well be right but I would have thought that *someone* within CCP took a look at this *before* a final decision to take the ISK from PL was made.

We would hope at any rate.

PAN


I'd sure hope that as well, but judging by the sheer amount of transactions and chars involved I'm not certain.

Also they might just blindly remove/ban in the first cycle, then look at all the petitions etc and use that experience to tweak their scripts, then start again.

EDIT: There seems to be a misconception here that they took 15t or so from an alliance wallet. In fact that number seems to have been reached by looking at ALL the chars in PL and how much isk they lost. So this is over hundreds of chars, and not some single wallet.
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#128 - 2012-03-31 17:08:49 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Hmm, just out of interest how come everyone is assuming it was related to buying ISK? I would have thought PL would be more likely to be involved in selling it?


It looks like CCP traced isk for its source onward and removed it. Could be that PL received rent payments from botters who were RMTing.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#129 - 2012-03-31 17:16:33 UTC
Kytoth wrote:


I'd sure hope that as well, but judging by the sheer amount of transactions and chars involved I'm not certain.

Also they might just blindly remove/ban in the first cycle, then look at all the petitions etc and use that experience to tweak their scripts, then start again.

EDIT: There seems to be a misconception here that they took 15t or so from an alliance wallet. In fact that number seems to have been reached by looking at ALL the chars in PL and how much isk they lost. So this is over hundreds of chars, and not some single wallet.


Kinda blows the who "this is a mistake" out of the water. Also, if the CCP auto destroyer was going to go after a alliance based simply on isk exchanges I would have thought the goons would have been top of that list if it were true.
El Geo
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#130 - 2012-03-31 17:17:15 UTC
isnt it against the eula for multiple players to use one character?

I doubt its a mistake they got banned either

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#131 - 2012-03-31 17:18:50 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:
Could be that PL received rent payments from botters who were RMTing.


pandemic legion is known for holding space to rent out

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Kytoth
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2012-03-31 17:27:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kytoth
baltec1 wrote:
Kytoth wrote:


I'd sure hope that as well, but judging by the sheer amount of transactions and chars involved I'm not certain.

Also they might just blindly remove/ban in the first cycle, then look at all the petitions etc and use that experience to tweak their scripts, then start again.

EDIT: There seems to be a misconception here that they took 15t or so from an alliance wallet. In fact that number seems to have been reached by looking at ALL the chars in PL and how much isk they lost. So this is over hundreds of chars, and not some single wallet.


Kinda blows the who "this is a mistake" out of the water. Also, if the CCP auto destroyer was going to go after a alliance based simply on isk exchanges I would have thought the goons would have been top of that list if it were true.


A. They did not go "after an alliance". They took isk from a large amount of chars, and banned the source. Don't see how this "blows the mistake out of the water".

B. "simply on isk exchanges" How do you suppose they identify RMT'ers if not by their isk transfer patterns?

C. Who said other alliances did not have this occuring / use the same centralized structure.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#133 - 2012-03-31 17:30:59 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Kytoth wrote:


A. They did not go "after an alliance". They took isk from a large amount of chars, and banned the source. Don't see how this "blows the mistake out of the water".

B. "simply on isk exchanges" How do you suppose they identify RMT'ers if not by their isk transfer patterns?

C. Who said other alliances did not have this occuring / use the same centralized structure.


If CCP simply went after the master wallet because it was spamming out a lot of isk why then did the master wallet of the largest ship replacement fund not get hit first?
OfBalance
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-03-31 17:37:42 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:

rumor says elusif got hit

if that is true expect a lot of CFC members to have negative wallets.


A few inderviduals wallets in CFC have gone negetive. The general responce in the CFC is "AHAHAHAHAHA"


Confirmed.
Kytoth
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2012-03-31 17:38:34 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kytoth wrote:


A. They did not go "after an alliance". They took isk from a large amount of chars, and banned the source. Don't see how this "blows the mistake out of the water".

B. "simply on isk exchanges" How do you suppose they identify RMT'ers if not by their isk transfer patterns?

C. Who said other alliances did not have this occuring / use the same centralized structure.


If CCP simply went after the master wallet because it was spamming out a lot of isk why then did the master wallet of the largest ship replacement fund not get hit first?


Because one was done over a char's wallet and the other is a corp wallet? Honestly I have no idea, but how likely is it that CCP wrote something that worked perfectly from the beginning (or ever will)
Lord Publow
Doomheim
#136 - 2012-03-31 17:40:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Publow
Brothers and Sisters, maybe we are all just too harsh on the botters and RTMers in New Eden. We all call consider it is their fault they are doing what they are doing; we never take the moment to consider that they may actually be nice people, whom are forced to act in such an EULA-Breaking manner because of genuine misfortune in their internet spaceships career?

Yours Truly,

Lord Publow

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#137 - 2012-03-31 17:41:14 UTC
Kytoth wrote:


Because one was done over a char's wallet and the other is a corp wallet? Honestly I have no idea, but how likely is it that CCP wrote something that worked perfectly from the beginning (or ever will)


Im going to go with highly likely.
Prince Kobol
#138 - 2012-03-31 17:48:18 UTC
I have to admit its **** funny watching how many people are shitting them lols..

Just spent the last 10 minutes scouting various forums and panic is well.. delicious Big smile.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#139 - 2012-03-31 17:50:53 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
I have to admit its **** funny watching how many people are shitting them lols..

Just spent the last 10 minutes scouting various forums and panic is well.. delicious Big smile.



Please share the fun with usTwisted
Prince Kobol
#140 - 2012-03-31 17:54:31 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
I have to admit its **** funny watching how many people are shitting them lols..

Just spent the last 10 minutes scouting various forums and panic is well.. delicious Big smile.



Please share the fun with usTwisted


Too many posts on too many sites however the funniest has to be on reddit Big smile