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[Proposal] CSM Member Real Life Names

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Marcus Shamonomonom
Gift of Organs Donation Service
#61 - 2012-03-31 16:10:06 UTC
So does CCP worry about my parking tickets? Is that gonna be a thing now?

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Amy Garzan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-03-31 16:32:06 UTC
Signed

Anyone whos ever heard of the one corp who went to a dudes house just to kill his power to kill his supercap needs to sign this (this isnt a made up story)
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2012-03-31 17:14:18 UTC
Amy Garzan wrote:
Signed

Anyone whos ever heard of the one corp who went to a dudes house just to kill his power to kill his supercap needs to sign this (this isnt a made up story)


That didn't actually happen - Mittens refused to dig up the dude's address for RA.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
HELIC0N ONE
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2012-03-31 17:26:57 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Amy Garzan wrote:
Signed

Anyone whos ever heard of the one corp who went to a dudes house just to kill his power to kill his supercap needs to sign this (this isnt a made up story)


That didn't actually happen - Mittens refused to dig up the dude's address for RA.


And also the player flying the Titan turned out to be working for CCP.
Sverige Pahis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-03-31 17:55:05 UTC
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
I say to not cave in to those particular elements within EVE. They will have 'won'.


Especially with the way some sectors of EVE players s***talk (they just don't know when enough is enough though), even this extreme talk is probably not serious, just NOT thinking and more than likely it is (again) alcohol influenced.

Better to deal with law enforcement (with NO delay) if necessary like last night on a case by case basis ahould this arise again in the future.

Upd: EVE needs to have the 'bad boy on the block" reputation, but now it seems more like the 'psychotic idiot on the block'. Alliance and Corp members need to 'eyeball' thier members better. These behaviors are usually evident in some fashion BEFORE these things happen. But then the type they hang around with probably think it's funny.

Update 2: I see the GOONS are really FOR this. And MAINLY Goons. I smell a rat. CSM and CCP really better THINK HARD before doing away with RL names. Seems to me like someone is trying to pull a stunt and get away with something anonymously. More than likely they have found an exploit of a sort. I'd be REAL careful here.................

Update 3: Re-read the article about all of this. I'd be careful (I can't stress that enough) and REALLY BE SURE that was not somebody's idea of a bad joke on that radio show. Something seems staged about it. THAT needs to be looked into as well.

Besides, a CSM composed of anonymous Toons will not be taken very seriously at all, and may as well not exist.

Signed, James Causey, Palm Harbor, FL



I haven't seen so much abuse of the capslock key and tinfoil since I last played Beneath a Steel Sky (cool indy game still works well check it out)
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-03-31 18:18:41 UTC
signing this internet forums petition
Ines Fy
#67 - 2012-03-31 18:42:51 UTC
/signed
Sister Rhode
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2012-03-31 19:11:53 UTC
Signed.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#69 - 2012-03-31 19:12:23 UTC
Signed.
Innominate
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#70 - 2012-03-31 19:15:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Innominate
Aylleen wrote:
But those who have great privileges should also have great responsibility. You can't commit not even ONE illegal act. You cannot break the laws of your host country by inciting people to harass your enemy until he suicides.
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Illegal as determined by who exactly? I agree that anyone convicted in court of a crime committed in Eve Online should be banned permanently.

It's pretty clear that strict rules about revealing personal information, combined with CCP requiring candidates to release their personal information creates a massive lightning rod effect. I don't see any good reason to do this as all it does is invite real world harassment.
Richard Bong
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-03-31 19:29:08 UTC
/signed

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#72 - 2012-03-31 20:08:19 UTC
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
Kilylol wrote:

Surely you must have missed the part of the OP where he says that only CCP must know the names(I feel you bro, reading is hard).


Oh, that's right! Nobody at CCP EVER leaks any information, ever. Just ask Hilmar about that................

Also, the TIMING of this is suspicious. Late on a Friday Night. CCP gone and only a few hapless GM's around for the next 48 hours. How convenient.


Issler / Darius / whichever other muppet you are, you've clearly perfected acting like a 5 year old. No need for you to continue practicing.

+1 for the proposal, although I agree with an earlier poster - if we don't know their real name, where's the harm in knowing their country?

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Harrigan VonStudly
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#73 - 2012-03-31 20:21:23 UTC
I completely agree.

/signed
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#74 - 2012-03-31 20:54:52 UTC
/signed
Adainy Gwanwyn
Project Blueprint Research Foundation
#75 - 2012-03-31 21:08:12 UTC
/MEGASIGN

I agree with Liang.

Also some great conspiracy theories being thrown around in here, could make for an awesome B-movie.
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#76 - 2012-03-31 21:12:54 UTC
There exist people playing EvE who have nothing else in their life and who are clearly potential risks to those around them.

You can't get this many people together and *not* have such people.

While it's good for us to have some idea about the people behind the characters when choosing who we want to support for CSM, public disclosure of personal information should be strictly optional.

http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs
Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#77 - 2012-03-31 21:24:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Ugleb
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Ugleb wrote:
I generally agree with the need for caution, but I do have one issue with this, and it might even be the reason why CCP chose to publish names in the first place, I dunno.

If the real names off applicants are removed from the process, doesn't that increase the chance of a player with a poor reputation using an alt to run for the CSM?

There may be players who would not vote for a certain candidate because of a past action (say The Mittani) or because of a poltical association (a certain alliance etc) but who would vote for his publicly unknown alt that is 'untainted' by a colourful past.

While revealing a real world identity could be abused, it also helps to identify individual players from largely anonymous character identities that can be legitimately bought or sold.

If real names were removed from the process, there should be another means of identifying players beyond the character name they choose to compete with.

An alt of The Mittani would still benefit from the channelled support of Goonswarm, but be freed of much of the current controversy now on his shoulders. Is that right?


You forget one thing - controversy does not mean someone cannot get elected. As long as this was not dodging a ban on running for CSM - CCP would need to investigate, using real names and billing info which they and only they should possess - then there is no reason why Mittens or Darius or anyone else who has made themselves infamous by their actions should be able to stand.

Plus the alt would need to develop a good reputation before non-voting bloc members would vote for him. If Mittens stood for election for CSM using an unknown alt, and commanded all goons to vote for him, he would receive goon votes and maybe a dozen more of so. If he stood as The Mittani, he would receive all goon votes and hundreds, if not thousands, of non-goons who like his attitude or policies.

As shown by the voting results of CSM 7, an unknown toon without the support of a voting bloc will gather no votes. Even high profile but inept candidates received a pitiful number of votes. To get elected, you either need the support of a voting bloc - goons will vote for The Mittani, whether standing as The Mittani or an alt - or you need to be a competant, high profile candidate who has been a key part in the community for a number of months, potentially years. So these concerns about alts 'abusing' the system really are minimal, especially compared to candidates personal contact details potentially being abused, a la mittensgate.


I do not mean to say that someone should be rendered ineligible for election simply for being 'controversial'. The only reason they should ever be ineligible is if they have broken the EULA/TOS and have not served out the penalties.

I agree that what I am talking about is likely to be a fringe case, but it is something I can see being manipulated by a determined enough player in order to side-step a poor reputation. It might be difficult, but that would not make it impossible.

A player might be an infamous forum troll/griefer/suspected or even once banned exploiter (whose real name is known to some at least for insert reason here) with one character. But in a relatively short space of time he could become a prolific Incursion running FC with another chracter and then use that one to run for CSM. Isn't it fair on the voters to know who they are supposedly voting for?

Note: I do think there could be a solution to this scenario that doesn't involve listing real names/country of origin publicly.

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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#78 - 2012-03-31 21:37:22 UTC
I agree with this entirely. I don't see what is gained other than making sure people don't run again under a different name, which could easily be controlled by CCP.

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Raoul Alberto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-03-31 21:39:03 UTC
An over-reaction to a particular event. Fanfest is over. Let it go.

I prefer my own anonymity, as do we all. But I am not particularly ashamed of anything I have ever said or done in any of the MMOs I have played over the last decade. I'll keep my anonymity to the extent I can, as long as I can, but I don't want any scary gaming company police-state apparatus erected to enforce it, as some in this thread seem to be calling for.

Internet privacy generally is an illusion and becoming more so every day. Fact of digital life. Get used to it. Don't expect to be able to lead one life one place and another elsewhere and never see the two put together.

If someone wants to stand for election to represent players to a company and to the larger world via the gaming media, I think we should have a right to know who they are and, if we wish, check them out in "real life." I don't want to see some known troll from somewhere else (e.g., Second Life) elected here just because no one can put the pieces together.

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

As for The Mittani, his real name was not just revealed as a candidate and member of the CSM, he used it himself in making his Apology and trying to draw a distinction between the amorality of his game character and his shocked real moral self.

That someone posted his address is reprehensible and, if done in-game or on a CCP forum or other asset, that should fall well within the kind of harassment that already can be sanctioned under CCP's current TOS/EULA. If the TOS/EULA need to be amended to make that clearer for the future, ok, I'm fine with that kind of limited change.

But don't expect or ask CCP to set itself up as some kind of World-Wide-Web Gaming Police-State to ferret out and protect its players everywhere they might ever be mentioned. It won't happen and would lead to a nightmarish witch-hunt atmosphere of suspicion, accusation and counter-accusation, and dirty-trick fraudulent postings.

Actual RL threats are a different story, entirely. Those are matters for the police, not to be dealt with by a gaming company.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2012-03-31 21:43:14 UTC  |  Edited by: RougeOperator
You dont want to give up your name, dont run for CSM.

You run more risk of being harassed on facebook then you do being on the CSM.

Any IRL harassment that may occur on can easily be taken care of by the local authorities and a petition to CCP.

Most of the fallout and continued fallout can be laid squarely at Mittens feet.

That Eve Radio stunt was pathetic. Next time try having someone one with an opposing view point that wasnt bullied into changing his tune on. It was nothing but propagandist fluff by cheerleaders.

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