Missions & Complexes

I'm not joking, fix minmatar republic lp store. I don't know what happened
to tag prices but best items like republic gyro and distruptors are not worth to
get anymore. Ppl in other threads say that they get 2k/lp. The best i can get from republic
is 1k/lp at best and i have to waite for market orders. I make 1 mil lp a day and i fill all buy orders
at once with best item i found in store. The other thing is thatmin republic has pathetic bpc.
Who wants to buy proton smartbomb for100mil or cruise launcher?I'm not talking about afteburner,
small afteburner for 150 mil, anyone? What about ships, fleet tempest is 200mil and 500lp, sells for
375mil?wtf. There are items that cost more in tags then item would sell, wtf. FIX IT!!!

Nicely explained and well put Mara. Thanks.

I still love my Minmatar LPs ... but then I use them for my own ammo and modules rather than as an isk-profit spinner.

The prices at the LP store are not tied to the prices of deadspace modules on contracts. The LP store prices are set, from well before my time, probably back when the LP stores were first implemented. It just so happens that the current state of the supply and demand marketplace has caused the prices to fall. Because most LP store items require tag hand ins, those prices can't drop much below the cost of the tags, even when someone is trying to dump on the market to make most of their investment back. Deadspace modules costs are purely based on risk and time, with the only monetary investment being into the ship used.

That doesn't make the LP store broken, it simply means that it isn't currently profitable. Eventually people will stop losing money there and move on to other things, and the lower supply will cause the prices to go back up. I can't say when, or how much, and I could even be wrong. They might never learn.

This, more or less. Basically, the agent changes shifted a higher proportion of cost to tags, which drives down the value of LP under most circumstances. But there are still exceptions worth digging around for. It's true that trading in the same items pre- and post-agent changes will be less profitable, but it's still possible to get decent LP conversions -- just not with the same items.

Just because you are unable or unwilling to adjust to a changing market doesn't mean the market must change to your needs.

No it's not.

It just means that people who run the faction mission to get the tags are getting much more money these days.

There is no "fixed" worth of an LP - its gone up and down over time but basically now it's crashing for a few reasons:

1) Mission Blitzing - is becoming ever more popular so people are racking up more LPs over time.

2) Agent Changes - Now more people are able to access high level agents with less (minimal) effort - so they also get more LP

3) Importance of Standings - When I first joined EVE most people were not frazzled about their standings much. Now most mission runners I know insist on running only non-faction combat missions -> Less tags to go around for all those LPs. This has been exacerbated by the introduction of incursions which require pilots to be able to access all parts of known space in order to participate, so mission running pilots who also run incursions are not going to compromise their ability to participate in incursions.

4) Reduced demand for LP store goods - this is part of the general slump in the economy and not directly related to LP store but most economic activity is going down

5) Increase in Exploration - means that some LP items are now in competition with a steady supply of deadspace goods which often perform better.

I am not familiar with FW but if as you say it requires tags but does not generate any this will also drive the price of tags up.

All that leads to an overall decrease in the LP to ISK conversion - it's not broken though, it is a dynamic economy. What was good and sweet yesterday is almost certain to be mediocre tomorrow because eventually people do catch onto the good deals.

Mind you - I agree with your premise that the LP stores could use a bit of love and some changes perhaps including other ways to pay for stuff that didn't include tags or much reduced tags.

TL;DR - Recent changes in EVE have made LP more plentiful, Tags less so and demand for LP items is dropping. No wonder the LP -> ISK ratio is not as good as it once was.

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What i would like is an option to buy stuff in bulk.
Wanna buy 1000+ Starbase charters? Its a click fest till the finger drops off or the mouse dies.

I read in an interview that CCP is aware of the drop in value of LP. The change in the agents (which was haphazard to begin with) has led to this. The answer could be something we may or may not like...

On the plus side:
I hope for more items with new isk sinks and no/low tags.
I could deal with a shift lowering tags and increasing isk sinks.
Requiring more common criminal tags would be nice.

On the minus side:
They may reduce LP per mission.
They may just up isk sinks on existing items.
They may reduce isk per mission to control inflation.

(The QEN mentions there being more isk than ever in Eve which is a problem.)

On the neutral side:
They may tweak tags type/quantity needed, which may just cause the same problem later. If tags for a high meta level item are also used by a moderate one, well, the moderate one will never be profitable. This is also a case of where it is easy to fix one problem and create another.

This is all to say I do agree that there is a problem, but I don't know if the cure will be better than the disease.

Trying to be positive again, I have also read that CCP has nothing against adding new ships. If they add new faction ships for existing/unique/new hulls then it would add isk/LP sinks nicely. I don't fly Minmatar, but even I would like a Navy Maelstrom. Now if they added Thukker, Khanid, SoE, etc. ships then that would help divert some attention toward other corps (esp. if they made some good agent running spots).

Wasn't missions that created the bloat of ISK in Eve it was CCP allowing people to bot, destroying thousands of NPC ships in null everyday for a long time without even bothering to do anything about it. Had people making a living from selling isk on the Internet.

They were all over null sec.

As for the cost of items that is market can't "fix" the market either people will buy something for x amount or they will not. When there is no more market for an item and the cost to put that item on the market cost more than the price of the sale it is over the supply is bloated and out paces demand. Then it will eventually balance out when there is a demand for it once supply is lowered, until there is a demand why create or purchase something that sales for cost? Dropping the number of tags will simply drop the cost of the item even more you can't stop it until it balances out on its own. Lots of ships die there is a demand.

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