EVE General Discussion

I absolutely do not condone real-life threats - I do not even condone bashing an individual player in order to make them feel like ****, even when they deserve it.

That said, you have to wonder at the Goons. Did you guys really think that if you spend years encouraging people to be meaner and meaner to each other, to the point where you publish people's evemails where they speak of being RL suicidal, you suddenly get to be surprised and indignant when someone goes further than you think is acceptable? Yes, it is unacceptable that someone is threatened in RL for the game. But you have yourself continuously encouraged a playing style the purpose of which is to make people feel like **** for real, and you have never explicitly spoken of the limits you set to that. People are people; if you build a culture that celebrates bringing out the worse in them, they will go further than you'd like.

I hope you think about that internally: how can you keep on encouraging the play-style you prefer while making sure people you encourage will know where your limits go. Because, unfortunately, what is self-evident to you will not be self-evident to everyone, and you have thousands of people in your organization and thousands more listening to what you say the game should be like. If you keep on encouraging a culture where there is competition about who can make someone cry the most, these things will happen again and again. It might not be your fault - obviously it is no one's fault in the end but the person's who makes the threat - but it is partly a result of the culture you encourage. And you cannot change the people, but you can change how you talk to them.

Regardless of whether we do or do not see the appology as sincere he has been sanctioned for his behaviour that is why a line now needs to be drawn under it. As it is all that is going to happen is that people are going round and round in circles even more than before.

She. And no, I am not trying to justify the threat. It is a ******* criminal thing to do and I hope the guy who did it will go to court for it and that he (including all his alts, present and future) is already permabanned from the game. I don't care what Mittani did, nothing he could have done would justify it.

If you read other things I have written, you will also see that I strongly disapprove of the continuous Mittani-bashing threads that creep up. He did a stupid thing, yes, but there was an apology and there were official consequences and that's it, we should all leave him (and his family, though that should be obvious) alone and talk about whether there is something for the rest of us to learn from this.

This is how it goes:
- Goons blowing a guys ship up does not make it ok for him to threaten with suicide in order to make them stop
- him threatening with suicide does not make it ok for goons to point and laugh, let alone for Mittani doing so in public
- Mittani doing so does not make it ok for other people to bash him in public any way they like
- Mittani's action or the bashing does not make it ok for someone to take it a step further and threaten his family.
In other words, "he started it" cannot justify escalation of RL hurt.

But if we create an environment where we admire people for making other people cry, even though we think everyone sane knows where the limit is, problem is that there's a lot of people in EVE who cannot be described by "sane". If hurting other people is seen as a glorious thing, some nutcase will step over the line. It is not our fault (it is his fault, obviously), but still the culture we create affects the chances of it happening. I think we all, including and especially the goons, need to back off from the celebration of making other people hurt, and start treating that only as an inevitable consequence ("acceptable collateral" so to speak) of spaceships exploding. If you see the difference? I am not suggesting we make EVE so that no one ever gets upset over it - because if we do, it will stop being fun. We have to openly accept that. But that's where it should, in my opinion, stop.

But to stress this again: only the person who made the threat is guilty of making it. He cannot justify it by blaming the culture or whatever. He's out of this discussion and he should stay there; by that action he has completely forfeited his right to say anything about this at all. He's not part of this community anymore, while both the tear-harvest-celebrating goons and us who oppose that are. We can have a discussion about this. He can **** off.

Given that the person/character in question posted the same information in this thread's initial post I am sure CCP would love you to waste their time with a redundant petition. Or was that just a worse than average attempt at trolling?

Smittens with himself is a real loser piece of work for bringing his real life wife into it.

What kind of man subjects his family to this community? This is just one big goon laugh.

These people are mentally sick and its a disservice to call them people. Now they are urging the non-apoligizing smug one to get a gun and go kill people?

Do you low life human garbage goons know no bounds?

Lets be honest everybody. This is all a game to the goons. None of it is real. Stage acting. Manufactered drama for internet lulz and bring the focus off of their stupidity.

Smuttens is so obsessed with the game hes energizing his troops as we speak. I dont know what much a bunch of rock head window lickers can do, but apparently they can do bad stuff in Jita.

To smittens withself and crew, just own up to your mistakes. You messed up. Not the guy you brought the hammer down on. Just shut up, sit down, and take your medicine like a good little boy.

You are just a terrible person for bring real life into this. But isnt that what being a goon is all about? Lieing, cheating, stealing, manipulating, laughing at the misery of others. Sounds like you are jealous goon who is jelly without his little toast.

Or tries to get someone to commit suicide IRL

Hey I got a question, if he HAD done it, would Mittens have gotten a sixty day and get to brag he got his first IRL pod?

Cause thats the attitude I smell wafting off the bees.

Got another question, is he permabanned from the CSM or will he just be landslide voted into CSM8?

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What he did was absolutely premeditated (it was in the slide show that had been sent to CCP!), so all his excuses are just a rather weasly and pathetic attempt to wriggle out of this mess that his over-inflated ego has landed him in. Can't believe that sociopath was allowed to become a lawyer.

Alex - quit EVE and never come back! Better for everyone - not least yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE
1:02:00

When does Mittens mention his name? Oh that's right, during the "Q&A". Not once is the dude's character name stated before that.

So, ya, "CCP knew!" To that I say...WATCH THE ******* VIDEO. It was after the slide show that the name was revealed, NOT DURING.


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And for the untold number of times. He doesn't use the "i was drunk" excuse.


--But, I suppose it's more fun to smudge up the facts so it's more sensational.

Oh, I see, because someone other than Mittens posts that Mittens breached the EULA due to alcohol, it's automatically Mitten's claiming booze made him do it.


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ಠ_ರೃ*huff huff* Hmmm, Quite *huff huff*

"As per our policies, this candidate may be eligible to run at a later date subject to candidacy review." (The devblog about the CCP resolution.)

So they did not really take a stance yet, they just said he can put himself up for the review.