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T3 Legion fit for L4s and WH adventures
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Yollande Wong
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-03-30 03:34:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Yollande Wong
I'm currently ~27M Skill Points with 7M invested in Gunnery and Marauders IV. I can pilot a Paladin with T2 pulse or beam weapons. I find it adequate for mission running but a little cumbersome. As such, I would like to fit a more versatile ship which can run missions with an approximation of the same efficacy (or better, of course.) But also, I would like to be able to enter wormholes safely - an option closed to the Paladin.

How does the Legion fare versus a Paladin. Versus the other T3 cruisers? Is my fit a sane goal?

[Subsystems]
Nanobot Injector ( +10% Armor Repair Effectiveness )
Emergent Locus Analyzer ( +10% Increased Scan Strength, +20% Increased Tractor Beam Range and Velocity )
Capacitor Regeneration Matrix ( +5% Increased Capacitor Recharge )
Liquid Crystal Magnifiers ( +10% Medium Turret Capacitor Use, Turret Damage, Turret Optimal Range )
Chassis Optimization ( +5% Max Velocity )

[Low]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

[Mid]
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

[High]
5x Heavy Pulse Laser II
Core Probe Launcher I

[Rigs]
Medium Capacitor Control Circruit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circruit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circruit I

Some stats from EFT for realistic training on my pilot:

Velocity: 1520 m/s.
DPS: 310.
Defense: 465.
Weapon Range: 32+4.8 km with scorch.
* Cap stable with a few pauses of the MWD.
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#2 - 2012-03-30 11:16:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Crellion
A 310 dps ship is for you an alternaitve to a 900+ dps ship?

The other three tech 3s, the best two fro pve, the tengu, does some 900dps at that range and with a similar tank or better... that is more of an alternative...
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#3 - 2012-03-30 11:19:31 UTC
This can solo C3s:

[Legion, Legion C3]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Large Capacitor Battery II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix


You better fly a Paladin in Missions....

"Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise." 
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#4 - 2012-03-30 11:22:43 UTC
your going to need the anti-bubble mod on the T3 regardless of what one you use. Remeber bubble work in WH space and one you shake things up or get found out they will bubble up the ways out.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-03-30 11:25:44 UTC
Crellion wrote:
A 310 dps ship is for you an alternaitve to a 900+ dps ship?

The other three tech 3s, the best two fro pve, the tengu, does some 900dps at that range and with a similar tank or better... that is more of an alternative...


I want to see a 900dps HML Tengu.
Yollande Wong
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-03-30 16:13:18 UTC
Luba Cibre wrote:
This can solo C3s:

[Legion, Legion C3]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Large Capacitor Battery II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix


You better fly a Paladin in Missions....


Wonderful. So it only costs 1300 M ISK to fly a T3 in WH. That sounds like a splendid plan =/
Lady Aja
#7 - 2012-03-30 22:07:48 UTC
legion for lvl 4's is slow and painful , been there done that.

why not skill up for a nightmare?
where is my ability to link a sig properly CCP you munters!!
Yollande Wong
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-03-31 04:32:34 UTC
Lady Aja wrote:
legion for lvl 4's is slow and painful , been there done that.

why not skill up for a nightmare?


And how is that better than a Paladin? Not meaning to sound rude/sarcastic; I'm honestly interested.
What did you not like about the Legion, was it the low DPS or the effective range?
OfBalance
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-03-31 05:02:50 UTC
Yollande Wong wrote:

What did you not like about the Legion, was it the low DPS or the effective range?


Both, and it's quite squishy against it's native em/therm rats due to resist profile retardation.
george harries
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-03-31 07:39:05 UTC
I have not done WH but would definitely use a NM if it's an alternative as the DPS is pretty damn good, but again it depends where you are missioning......if Amarr you have one of the best mission ships for that in the Paladin, it may well be worth skilling for a Tengu, though I assume your reluctance is possibly skill related? If so it wouldn't take much to skill up decent shield skills for the NM, slap a cap booster on and rigs to taste (damage possibly) and fill with damage and tracking mods.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-03-31 12:19:11 UTC
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
your going to need the anti-bubble mod on the T3 regardless of what one you use. Remeber bubble work in WH space and one you shake things up or get found out they will bubble up the ways out.

This is assuming you get caught in the first place, which shouldn't happen (at least not quite so easily) if you're on your guard. The problem with the interdiction nullifier is it removes a precious low slot from the Legion. Some might opt to have that extra low-slot in sparsely populated wormholes where they're unlikely to run into anybody else.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#12 - 2012-03-31 12:41:53 UTC
Yollande Wong wrote:
Wonderful. So it only costs 1300 M ISK to fly a T3 in WH. That sounds like a splendid plan =/

You can downgrade nearly everything and you still can do C3s solo, but not that fast.

"Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise." 
Sitreba Oonchevkii
#13 - 2012-03-31 13:06:12 UTC
Sorry mate, but the Tengu is the God of PVE. I can get twice the range and better dps and tank of that peachy little legion of yours for about the same price. The Legion has worked for me in PVP and I've never bothered trying the little plighter in missions. A Paladin is how you should do it for the WH, just bring some buddies as an "escort", or get a POS in the WH. Personally, if I saw that cheeky little golden potato of yours in a WH i would really ruin your day.

Blod-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood.
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#14 - 2012-03-31 13:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Luba Cibre
The OP asked for Legion / Paladin for Missions / WH.
So i assume, he want to do "casual" WH such as blitzing combat sites in a WH he isn't living in, because if not, he wouldn't asked for a mission fit and would be dedicated to WHs.

In that case, i gave him a Legion fit, which can solo C3s when he isn't doing missions / other stuff and i didn't recommend him a Tengu fit, THAT HE CAN'T / DON'T WANT TO FLY.

And if we would met in a Wormhole, i would be in my fck jews up Proteus.

"Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise." 
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#15 - 2012-03-31 13:12:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Gorki Andropov
Sitreba Oonchevkii wrote:
Personally, if I saw that cheeky little golden potato of yours in a WH i would really ruin your day.



Lifetime kills: 0.


Lifetime losses: 7.


I don't think you're going to ruin anybody's day, except your mum's when she has to wash your soiled underwear...again.P



@OP: Paladin, for sure.
Sitreba Oonchevkii
#16 - 2012-03-31 13:15:20 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Sitreba Oonchevkii wrote:
Personally, if I saw that cheeky little golden potato of yours in a WH i would really ruin your day.



Lifetime kills: 0.


Lifetime losses: 7.


I don't think you're going to ruin anybody's day, except your mum's when she has to wash your soiled underwear...again.P



@OP: Paladin, for sure.


you need a sense of humor mate

Blod-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#17 - 2012-03-31 14:51:47 UTC
I'm not your mate, pal
Bibosikus
Air
#18 - 2012-03-31 15:24:06 UTC
I tried all 4 T3's for running C3 anomalies. The Proteus is no longer an option due to (albeit still fairly weak) Sleeper neuts. The Tengu I found frustrating because of over-volleying.
I settled on the Legion because it can one-shot approaching frigs with Scorch, it's got a good speed-and-active tank, and my God.. it's so shiny!
The Loki also works pretty well with a shield tank, but the Legion can carry a week's worth of ammo and actually completes C3 anomalies quicker, solo, than any of the other T3's when matched skill for skill.

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-03-31 15:40:29 UTC
Legion is a bad ship, stop trying to make it useful/
Sitreba Oonchevkii
#20 - 2012-03-31 15:45:22 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
I'm not your mate, pal


American LOL

Blod-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood.
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