EVE General Discussion

Something being missed here. Productivity.

If productivity can maintain growth with ISK then prices should remain rather stable. According to the chart of price inflation for Eve, over the very long term, it has been stable. It's had quite a few ups and downs compared to a real economy, but in the real economy a god rarely comes down and changes the composition of trees, rocks or cars and does it over night.

What we have to wonder is, is productivity actually keeping pace with the growth of the money supply? In an ideal situation it would be the case. According to the chart of price inflation, we had a relative deflationary slump while the monetary base was exploding. This makes little sense, unless something else is going on, something like over production by accident and artificial price controls.

If a mechanic in the game is producing too much of something, that price is going to go down. As more and more of that thing is produced, we would expect the decrease in price to sooner or later lead to a shortage, because no one wastes time producing it any longer. But this does not happen in Eve, in some sectors, for one simple reason - The activities that generate ISK, also generate a lot of the stuff that would other wise be considered production.

Why make guns when the price is going down, when I can go shoot rats and get ISK and guns? As I gain more and more ISK, and more and more guns, the gun prices drop, the value of my ISK goes up compared to the guns. What if these guns can be refined into some base components that are used in just about everything else in the game? ... poof, we land in mudflation. What helped Eve for a very long time was its ability to reprocess items, this allowed typical mudlfation behaviors to be diffused among many products.

The problem is not ISK faucets or sinks, the trouble is that too much stuff got produced by activities that also generate ISK. This pushed prices down further and further making ISK generating activities even more attractive. Now the rubber band of monetary inflation is pulling and creating some wild volatility in an uncertain marketplace.

Real productivity, and not production as a suplment to ISK generation, must take hold, and it is going to have to do it in an environment of a 1300% increase in the money supply. It'll be a bumpy ride, take a deep breath and enjoy it, magic can not fix this, only common sense.

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Although I do agree with the amount of isk flowing into EVE needs to be curbed, I don't like how everyone in 0.0 tells everyone else to move out of highsec and into 0.0. 0.0 is full. You're either paying billions and billions in rent, living in the worst of the worst NPC space, being meat shields to a super block, or still making decent buck in highsec and not having to worry about anything. It's not to hard to see which most people will pick.

Want more people to move out into 0.0? Open it up more. Make it cost much, MUCH more to hold sov after ~20 systems or so (100 systems is stupid), so the "blocks" claim size shrinks and allows more corps and alliances to form instead having to join one of the blocks. Decrease the mobility of super caps to even less then what they have now and/or drastically, and I mean -drastically- increase costs to jump, making it completely unworthwhile do to costs to jump on top of 20 BS's or even 2-3 carriers, and especially not with a couple of supers. Supers need to be delegated to the "do or die" conflicts where huge amounts of addition assets are on the line, not the random hot drops on dreads/carriers and subcaps.

Or hell, just introduce another 2,000 systems.

Like I said, tons of people in 0.0 want highsec dwellers to move out into 0.0, but they don't stop to possibly address some of the reasons why a lot of people don't.

and for the record I've lived in 0.0 since nearly the beginning of my time in eve and like it, but it's not hard to see why people don't want to move out into 0.0.

TLDR:must have npcs selling things that are useful add more isk sinks that cant be avoided
replace isk income with lp in incursions(big isk sink if done right)


The issue here is as many have stated over and over not the material faucets but the isk faucets..

It is not easy to address but one thing that would help is returning some things back to npcs.
they want this game to be controlled by players but the problem with this is we don't through isk away
without a good reason such as was was POS fuel.

If they want to fix the issue as it is atleast as far as i see it would be to add costs to playing that are paid to npcs
such as docking fees (this would affect everyone would also make station games in pvp costly.)

incursions should never have paid isk flat out these should have been another material or just flat out lp generator.
by this i mean we have a multitude of things in the concord store that are usefull across all aspects of gameplay.

even 5m+5klp for security statues pardons to add some security status to characters as if you killed a frigate and
having varied versions of these for higher prices.


these are just general ideas probably not good ones but none the less it is of this nature that could help

P.S.
as for the incursion income swap to lp yea flame on about that i do incursions and i admit they should not pay isk stop whining about it you could make more profit on an lp store if things people really wanted where in it....

Agree, a good first step has been (will be) made with drones reducing the materials. Longer term something like BPCs, or a "broken" version of a T1 Meta+ item being repaired, consuming minerals would be good too. Can even introduce a new skill, "mr fix it" skill, helps in the repair of broken modules of this class. All that could ever be refined from them being exactly what has to go into them to fix them, would negate the loot issue. There would still be some downward push on Meta 0 prices, but I suspect that is preferable to removal of meta 1-4. Further, the downward push would be overcome by the lesser supply of minerals overall.

Still plenty of ISK to be had for mission runners and ratters, being the only source of T1 meta items and opens up a new mini career.

Dunno whom that is but they are non ISK faucets that can/will affect inflation. Drone poop for one being reduced or elimenated and turned into a ISK faucet [bounties] from a mineral(alloy) faucet will inevitably cause inflation.
Moon goo's near monopoly gives a very few at the top a way to create inflation like with oil & OPEC.
I personally would like to see both moon goo's & nano ribbons space monopolies broken a litte ( say sleeper incursion or a drone incursion that poops moon goo ) so we'd have other material faucets that would spread out incomes to all SEC systems & WH space.
Empire doesn't have a monpoly on anything at all although if it did it probably should be on printing ISK (although I'd laugh i one day Goonie bucks [GISK?] started being printed in the North :) since it is a couple governments.

risk vs. ******* reward

0.0 is stagnant. Essentially no risk.
Low is a moderate risk.
High is the highest risk of losing an expensive ship.

Stop living in wonderland people. Look at the actual facts. So by the OPs definition, the highest rewards should be paid out in high sec.

But, it's a sandbox. It's not up to CCP to fiddle with. It's up to us.

If the people in 0.0 would stop hoarding and start destroying, the whole dynamic would change. You can't have stability unless you consume what you have. It the American way and the EVE way. Lets get a decent war going, folks. It works for the U.S. and it will work for EVE.

Mr Epeen

Dont mess with CCP Soundwave ! It can hurts! you was warned

You started with only 50k sp and you consider yourself a bittervet?