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moskowitz
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-03-31 04:20:49 UTC
Recent events have brought me to post. I rarely post on the forums...I do read them quite often

One of the aspects of Eve Online that drew me in was the depth at which the "predator vs. prey" part of PvP was developed in a way that advertised and allowed "scams" "ganking" "piracy" etc....and that the world of Eve was a harsh world. Incredibly, I don't partake in these activities I am an industrialist....true to form I am posting with an alt (flames encouraged...but c'mon this is eve online)

I've played other games where I can be ganked, sure. But Eve, has for the most part offered a more complex pallet of scenario's at which the more skilled or creative "ganker", "scammer" "PvPer" etc can do his bidding on the hoards of weaklings like myself to gratify ego's or satisfy some "cheap thrill" that can be thought out in an infinite number of creative ways. Mind you...words I may use (like cheap) are not meant to lessen the value of what individuals experience with it....I am in full support of these endeavors...it makes the game more exiting.

But In recent days...I have seen statements and positions regarding the fanfest debacle that regurgitated my dislike for some "predators" that support their activities unintelligently, carelessly

The beauty of so many MMO's and EvE is that it allows you to be over the line in the game. To draft actions inside an imaginary space... that in the real world would land you in jail, even be considered "evil" are exercised...given a release. I understand it. It's a fantastic thing for people to have a place for people that might actually need that sort of release for excitement etc.....To some right now I am "preaching to the choir.

You do realize for many...it's kinda like therapy for egomaniacs

Myself included i am an egomaniac industrialist of sorts


So on the Mittani incident.

Realize he was logged off ..."over the line."

He apologized..hopefully learned a bit..

(to keep that meglamaniacal behavior as a part of the game...and don't mess with the Mentally iLL... in game or out of game

Perhaps he mistook this individual as "weaker"..."prey"...to mess with

Poor form.
Poor taste
Bad idea







Grant Wyberious
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-03-31 04:22:05 UTC
And now they're threatening rape against Mittani's wife for his mistake. That's 100% okay because it's Mittani. Nothing of significance.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#3 - 2012-03-31 04:26:02 UTC
The Wis foresaw the Mittani would win the CSM election by a large margin in the future, and knew how he would troll him at fanfest. He saw it coming. Realizing this awesome prediction, he then said "I am going to kill myself for this".

The Wis: Best pvper in Eve



prunk doasting ftw!

moskowitz
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-03-31 04:27:25 UTC
got a link? I'd like to look at that.


sincerely man..this kind of crap is really repulsive.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#5 - 2012-03-31 04:29:09 UTC
Grant Wyberious wrote:
And now they're threatening rape against Mittani's wife for his mistake. That's 100% okay because it's Mittani. Nothing of significance.



if true, he can (and absolutely should) report such to his local law enforcement and not the EVE forums via proxy or delegated sympathetic mouthpiece.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#6 - 2012-03-31 04:32:04 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Grant Wyberious wrote:
And now they're threatening rape against Mittani's wife for his mistake. That's 100% okay because it's Mittani. Nothing of significance.



if true, he can (and absolutely should) report such to his local law enforcement and not the EVE forums via proxy or delegated sympathetic mouthpiece.


Since CCP are the only ones who would have easy access to the offenders RL info, they are the ones who should be made aware (which they were).

And posting on the forums to bring attention to this repulsivity is just as valid as the threadnaughts on the Mittani's actions.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-03-31 04:36:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
Grant Wyberious wrote:
And now they're threatening rape against Mittani's wife for his mistake. That's 100% okay because it's Mittani. Nothing of significance.


Hell no. I mean WTF to that? No wonder he was so reactive the other day. If these are the comments he is getting then, well, I don't know what to comment. Seriously. Feel really bad for the guy now.

Edit: sorry for thread hijack.

OP, I agree. There are many games that do allow boost, but sometimes it can be ego's get too much of a boost. There is the common comment of it is just a game/eships. By nature however, it is the one game we can have the most connection to. We do not see an avatar regularily, which just shows as a picture. This more heightens the anonymity of eve. Combined with the involved social network in and out of game required, finalized with the involvement and excitement of risk of permanent in game loss, this is the game that most people will have the greatest psychological connection to.

People can deny it all they want. But if you play eve, it is more than internet spaceships. Building up an isk wallet or building a model boat, the primitive part of our brain reacts via endorphins and emotion. Because of that, eve can never really be "Just a game"

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Ocih
Space Mermaids
#8 - 2012-03-31 04:36:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ocih
Grant Wyberious wrote:
And now they're threatening rape against Mittani's wife for his mistake. That's 100% okay because it's Mittani. Nothing of significance.


No it isn't okay. It's spineless and belongs in a court of law. We also know why it happens.

Edwin
Toronto

Not Ocih

To be clear, you would see my full name and street address if I didn't think it would end in a credit card scam.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#9 - 2012-03-31 04:41:07 UTC
Grant Wyberious wrote:
And now they're threatening rape against Mittani's wife for his mistake. That's 100% okay because it's Mittani. Nothing of significance.


Proof or gtfo. If you just used that as a political prop without it being 100% verifiable you're a complete jerk.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/

Grant Wyberious
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-03-31 04:42:38 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Grant Wyberious wrote:
And now they're threatening rape against Mittani's wife for his mistake. That's 100% okay because it's Mittani. Nothing of significance.


Proof or gtfo. If you just used that as a political prop without it being 100% verifiable you're a complete jerk.
It's proven that someone was banned for doing this. I know you hate Mittani with a passion and I wouldn't be surprised if you endorse that person's action. It's Mittani so all's fair in love and war, right?
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#11 - 2012-03-31 04:43:55 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Grant Wyberious wrote:
And now they're threatening rape against Mittani's wife for his mistake. That's 100% okay because it's Mittani. Nothing of significance.


Proof or gtfo. If you just used that as a political prop without it being 100% verifiable you're a complete jerk.

It was on EVE radio.

And CCP is already taking some action.


Anyway, I'd rather assume it is genuine and be wrong than assume it was fake and be right.
SeaBassSA
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-03-31 04:44:16 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Grant Wyberious wrote:
And now they're threatening rape against Mittani's wife for his mistake. That's 100% okay because it's Mittani. Nothing of significance.


Proof or gtfo. If you just used that as a political prop without it being 100% verifiable you're a complete jerk.


You worried they'll find out it was you?
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#13 - 2012-03-31 04:46:59 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
[quote=Doc Fury]Since CCP are the only ones who would have easy access to the offenders RL info, they are the ones who should be made aware (which they were).

And posting on the forums to bring attention to this repulsivity is just as valid as the threadnaughts on the Mittani's actions.


If real life threats have been made ingame then the Mittani only has to inform his local police department.
Those then can contact CCP and CCP will work along by giving real life details to the authorities.

CCP has no legal means to prosecute people who use real life threats, but they are certainly able and willing to provide the propper authorities will all the information they have.
In no way EVER should CCP or a player be using other means of setting matters straight.

The whole Fanfest incident just proves once again that a damn lot of people aren't fit to handle these kind of things.
Most of the posts pro or anti Mittani were nothing but knuckle dragging primates, chestbeating like wild and hopping around on either side of the barricade.

Threatening someone in real life about something in a game only proves that you should stop gaming and start living.

Anyone disagreeing that Mittani did something wrong also disagrees with Mittani. He himself said he was wrong and he appologised for it.
He has been punished by CCP and all of you complainers at both sides are not the ones deciding how and when someone gets a temporary ban.
Mittani accepts the ban as it is. So should the rest.

Anyone complaining still like a little kid that he came off to easy.
Deal with it. Not everyone is as bloodthirsty and vindictive as you. Some people actually know when to move on and continue just playing the fricking game.

moskowitz
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-03-31 04:47:12 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Grant Wyberious wrote:
And now they're threatening rape against Mittani's wife for his mistake. That's 100% okay because it's Mittani. Nothing of significance.


Hell no. I mean WTF to that? No wonder he was so reactive the other day. If these are the comments he is getting then, well, I don't know what to comment. Seriously. Feel really bad for the guy now.

Edit: sorry for thread hijack.

OP, I agree. There are many games that do allow boost, but sometimes it can be ego's get too much of a boost. There is the common comment of it is just a game/eships. By nature however, it is the one game we can have the most connection to. We do not see an avatar regularily, which just shows as a picture. This more heightens the anonymity of eve. Combined with the involved social network in and out of game required, finalized with the involvement and excitement of risk of permanent in game loss, this is the game that most people will have the greatest psychological connection to.

People can deny it all they want. But if you play eve, it is more than internet spaceships. Building up an isk wallet or building a model boat, the primitive part of our brain reacts via endorphins and emotion. Because of that, eve can never really be "Just a game"



Yea People invest their souls into this game...I do,..and yea endorphins...emotions....it becomes very personal...so much so that (I love this too) Jita is going to be attacked?

Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-03-31 04:47:38 UTC
Grant Wyberious wrote:
And now they're threatening rape against Mittani's wife for his mistake. That's 100% okay because it's Mittani. Nothing of significance.


So why hasn't he reported it to law enforcement? Why is it Goons seem to think we'll believe them when they say stupid **** like this? How ******** are you guys, seriously?

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#16 - 2012-03-31 04:49:46 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:

If real life threats have been made ingame then the Mittani only has to inform his local police department.
Those then can contact CCP and CCP will work along by giving real life details to the authorities.

CCP has no legal means to prosecute people who use real life threats, but they are certainly able and willing to provide the propper authorities will all the information they have. In no way EVER should CCP or a player be using other means of setting matters straight.


QFT


There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

moskowitz
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-03-31 04:52:29 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Grant Wyberious wrote:
And now they're threatening rape against Mittani's wife for his mistake. That's 100% okay because it's Mittani. Nothing of significance.


So why hasn't he reported it to law enforcement? Why is it Goons seem to think we'll believe them when they say stupid **** like this? How ******** are you guys, seriously?




yep....I agree here too. Goons..are well ...living up to their name?
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#18 - 2012-03-31 04:55:01 UTC
moskowitz wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
Grant Wyberious wrote:
And now they're threatening rape against Mittani's wife for his mistake. That's 100% okay because it's Mittani. Nothing of significance.


So why hasn't he reported it to law enforcement? Why is it Goons seem to think we'll believe them when they say stupid **** like this? How ******** are you guys, seriously?




yep....I agree here too. Goons..are well ...living up to their name?

There is nothing wrong with bringing it to the attention of other players, especially because no name of the offender has been mentioned.

And for all we know, MIttani's local law are informed.

And if not... Goons, get to work on that.
Grant Wyberious
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-03-31 04:56:47 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Grant Wyberious wrote:
And now they're threatening rape against Mittani's wife for his mistake. That's 100% okay because it's Mittani. Nothing of significance.


So why hasn't he reported it to law enforcement? Why is it Goons seem to think we'll believe them when they say stupid **** like this? How ******** are you guys, seriously?

Do you assume we haven't? GM already has taken action against the guy and I wouldn't be surprised if they're willing to turn over the guy's personal information to build a case against them assisting Mittani protecting his wife. Especially I know as a husband myself, Mittani is doing the same which I don't doubt.