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Covops Rapier and escaping huge lowsec gatecamps,

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Pamela Podpopper
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-03-30 15:20:26 UTC
lets say i warp through a gate in a rapier and on the other side, is about 100 "PVP guys" wanting blood on anything that pops through.

Im in a Covops fitted Rapier, and am by default, as soon as my screen comes back after the jump, cloaked.
for arguments sake, there is noone within 2500m of me to break my cloak
I then click warp to whatever destingation i am going to, then click my covops cloak on which takes i think less than a second.
Is there anyway someone could lock me in that short period of time, or is it a pretty safe bet a covops fit ship flown by someone who has a good reaction time will escape unscathed the vast majority of the time.?
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
S0ns Of Anarchy
#2 - 2012-03-30 15:25:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Caius Sivaris
Pamela Podpopper wrote:
lets say i warp through a gate in a rapier and on the other side, is about 100 "PVP guys" wanting blood on anything that pops through

Im in a Covops fitted Rapier, and am by default, as soon as my screen comes back after the jump, cloaked
for arguments sake, there is noone within 2500m of me to break my cloa
I then click warp to whatever destingation i am going to, then click my covops cloak on which takes i think less than a second
Is there anyway someone could lock me in that short period of time, or is it a pretty safe bet a covops fit ship flown by someone who has a good reaction time will escape unscathed the vast majority of the time.


A covops would survive, a recon not sure, they are slower to get in warp, with that many people they'll also have dedicated inty decloakers with drones assigned and may catch you.

100 mens lowsec gatecamp and exceedingly rare if not completely unheard of on the other hand.
Pamela Podpopper
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-03-30 15:26:27 UTC
Caius Sivaris wrote:
[quote=Pamela Podpopper]lets say i warp through a gate in a rapier and on the other side, is about 100 "PVP guys" wanting blood on anything that pops through

Im in a Covops fitted Rapier, and am by default, as soon as my screen comes back after the jump, cloaked
for arguments sake, there is noone within 2500m of me to break my cloa
I then click warp to whatever destingation i am going to, then click my covops cloak on which takes i think less than a second
Is there anyway someone could lock me in that short period of time, or is it a pretty safe bet a covops fit ship flown by someone who has a good reaction time will escape unscathed the vast majority of the time.
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A covops would survive, a recon not sure, they are slower to get in warp, with that many people they'll also have dedicated inty decloakers with drones assigned and may catch you.

100 mens lowsec gatecamp and exceedingly rare if not completely unheard of on the other hand.



i am not sure what a dedicated inty decloaker is, and how they work, can you please explain, and if possible, provide a counter?
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#4 - 2012-03-30 15:29:17 UTC
You can't cloak if they are trying to lock you. It's not if they do lock you. So... If your connection is a hair laggy, and they are on the ball, they may catch you. A ship can also be sensor boosted and remote boosted to lock you before you could warp.

So in low sec, slim but possible chance.

In nul... They will have either the gate bubbled, or a hic or dic present. You won't be able to warp till out of that bubble and will have to begin the escape the bubble before decloaked game.


Also, any object 2500m from you will prevent cloaking, but will not break a gate cloak. Use that gate cloak time to look at your options and to let your session timer expire. Then it may be better to not aggress, burn back to the gate at max speed and run back the way you came.
Kaela Grimm
#5 - 2012-03-30 15:30:38 UTC
You are generally safe. They probably won't be able to lock on you. But if they really mean business camping the gate it will go more like:
You jump through gate, wait session change timer.
Decloak, align, recloak they deploy bubble, interceptors burn to your last known position. If they are good they will break your cloak. Doing the mwd cloak might help you get out of the decloak range, but it might not.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#6 - 2012-03-30 15:33:15 UTC
Dedicated interceptor decloaker is just an interceptor with drones assigned to the intercepter. The drones orbit this ship, increasing it's size and chance if being close enough to decloak you.

There is no real counter. You may wish to research the cloak/micro warpdrive trick. You could also burn back to the gate and attempt to escape that way.
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
S0ns Of Anarchy
#7 - 2012-03-30 15:46:44 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
You can't cloak if they are trying to lock you. It's not if they do lock you. So... If your connection is a hair laggy, and they are on the ball, they may catch you. A ship can also be sensor boosted and remote boosted to lock you before you could warp.


You can't cloak if they have you locked, trying is perfectly fine (if you don't believe me, fit WCS to lower your scanres and ask a friend to cloak after you initiated a lock)
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#8 - 2012-03-30 15:56:15 UTC
Nobody will target you before you activate your cloak, but they might rush at you trying to decloak you and get a lock that way.

Try to use the Cloak+MWD trick. With covops ships it works even better to get you away from people wanting blood.

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Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
#9 - 2012-03-30 16:02:55 UTC
You are about %95 safe in a ship like a Rapier. Sebo'd or RSebo'd ceptors can lock you extremely quickly, same goes for a well equiped Loki. Factor in lag and bad luck and it is possible. Additionally a ceptor or other fast moving ship may see where you are and MWD straight at you trying to uncloak you.
Pamela Podpopper
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-03-30 16:29:07 UTC
thanks all this makes me feel more safe.
Sister Rhode
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-03-30 16:59:38 UTC
You will almost always be able to cloak up right away. That's not the risky part.

The risky part, is that you are likely now inside a bubble, and will need to move out of it, while cloaked, in order to be able to warp.

It is during this time, that members of the gate camp will be racing their fastest ships to the location you were in when you flashed on their overview briefly.

Your best bet is to pulse your MWD at the same time as re-cloaking in order to gtfo.

A recon has a high chance to escape, but a good gang with good fast tackle can still have a respectable chance of catching you.
Pamela Podpopper
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-03-30 17:02:48 UTC
Sister Rhode wrote:
You will almost always be able to cloak up right away. That's not the risky part.

The risky part, is that you are likely now inside a bubble, and will need to move out of it, while cloaked, in order to be able to warp.

It is during this time, that members of the gate camp will be racing their fastest ships to the location you were in when you flashed on their overview briefly.

Your best bet is to pulse your MWD at the same time as re-cloaking in order to gtfo.

A recon has a high chance to escape, but a good gang with good fast tackle can still have a respectable chance of catching you.



bubbles in low sec? please say it isnt so.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#13 - 2012-03-30 17:06:59 UTC
Pamela Podpopper wrote:
lets say i warp through a gate in a rapier and on the other side, is about 100 "PVP guys" wanting blood on anything that pops through.

Im in a Covops fitted Rapier, and am by default, as soon as my screen comes back after the jump, cloaked.
for arguments sake, there is noone within 2500m of me to break my cloak
I then click warp to whatever destingation i am going to, then click my covops cloak on which takes i think less than a second.
Is there anyway someone could lock me in that short period of time, or is it a pretty safe bet a covops fit ship flown by someone who has a good reaction time will escape unscathed the vast majority of the time.?


Stop clicking. Use keybinds.

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Rivur'Tam
the united
#14 - 2012-03-31 01:57:47 UTC
99 times out of a 100 u will have no problem in a co ops ships which in eve should be acceptable to anyone

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Ryuce
#15 - 2012-03-31 16:44:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryuce
Pamela Podpopper wrote:
Sister Rhode wrote:
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bubbles in low sec? please say it isnt so.

It isn't so.

Though a few of the posters in this thread seem to think so.

Furthermore, a ship can cloak while you are trying to lock it - unless they changed something recently. Only by locking the ship before it cloaks is it possible to prevent it from cloaking.

When using the MWD+cloak trick you increase your alignment time. I'd be highly surprised if someone managed to decloak and tackle even an armor tanked Rapier in low sec, if the pilot presses warp and manages to cloak. In my experience only pilot error, like pressing warp with a fast ship close by, would explain a succesfull tackle.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#16 - 2012-03-31 19:27:44 UTC
In Low-Sec you should be fine.

Just cloak and warp, assuming nano fit you will be fine.

If bubbles you can cloak + MWD or cloak, pulse MWD and burn back to gate.