EVE General Discussion

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My 2 cents:

The game would be fine without them. It's like saying we need Bob/It or any other large alliance.
I doubt they will leave. They like the game too much. Even if the current Goonswarm was to die. I'm sure a new goon alliance will just pop up again.

Edit: There are more than enough "bad people" in Eve, to keep Eve a dark and cruel place.

Yep, we need them. While I may find their tactics unpalatable or just downright dirty, the fact that they can use those tactics is awesome.

Long live the goonswarm antics.

stating that eve needs mitardis is like stating you need a second a******.
please.

Anyone read Kurt Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle? Two guys fall off a merchant ship into the sea and are washed up on an isolated, but inhabited island. They decide to rule the island, so one forms a government, the other forms a religion. The first thing they do is make the religion illegal. The punishment for being in this religion was public impailment on huge fish hooks. The state has to have an enemy it's protecting the people from, but you can't overcome the enemy or you lose the dynamic...therefore, a religion - believers. It worked. They became wealthy. Hilarious book.

What is missing in EVE isn't bad guys pissing people off. What is missing in EVE are actual competing interests. Running around challenging people to streetfights and calling people who don't want to fight "carebears" isn't remotely the same as the unbridled and never ending warfare of competing interests, and doesn't even touch the dynamics of the game.

What you want are corporations developing empty space. To the space hoodlums this is "carebear" activity. (These rabid brawlers could provide security for a corporation like this...be their military arm. Though, it may initially involve a lot of boring activity. Ask any military policeman who's guarded an airfield.) These corporations acquire systems, set up mining and manufacturing facilities, open trade routes to market their products, ta da ta da. Over time they'll have beaucoup time and resources invested and a serious interest in holding and defending what they've built.

Eventually the borders of these interests start bumping into each other. Their trade activity starts impinging on another interest's trade activities. The growth is hindered. Push comes to shove. They start raiding each others facilities, shipping, mining interests. Enough is enough, boom, warfare. At this level of growth it's no big deal to muster a fighting force on a huge scale. (Having this ability makes street brawling pirates look like mosquitos on an elephant, btw, so that activity is dwarfed by comparison.)

Take botting for instance. If your corp wants to own the system where botters are raking in the dough. How difficult would it be to conquer that system operating with resources on that scale? You'd own them. The more they blindly send out replacement ships, the more dummies you have to train your new fighter pilots with.

A problem seems to be an overage of gamers who want to get into a fabulous ship and go out and just kill stuff. The development of null sec into an empire-like state doesn't satisfy that wanton urge. And, I'll tell you, advocating building the capacity to conduct massive, on-going region-wide warfare isn't being a carebear. Doing what those people you call "carebears" do, that's what you need done in order to engage in the more intensive kind of warfare EVE is capable of providing.

I hope that was adequately confusing.

I would love it more than anything else if CCP disbanded Concord and put the law in the hands of players. Let stations and gates keep their guns, since no station owner is going to want armed hooligans blowing up nuclear weapons outside their expensive station but flag the criminal with a GCC as it is now and let us take care of them. Free market law.

Right, let's start loving goons, that's how they will start losing.

I need the Goons because I'm addicted to sex.