EVE General Discussion

Eh, whats the point of arguing.

CCP GMs want to coddle carebears - even if they have to rewrite their own rules to do it.

I developed the 'Tornado Boomerang' technique shortly after the 'nado was released and I knew it was good - but challenging to do properly and NOT broken. The technique, done right, effectively reversed the effects of the simultaneous 'insurance nerf' that I was seeking to overcome. Used it to my benefit for 3 solid months, killing 635 Exhumers and 1 Orca, solo. Only shared the technique with a few in the ganking community. But I wanted it to see wider use.....

(Disclaimer: Its quite possible that others figured it out independently, but I saw no evidence of that anywhere.)

So I eventually wrote my (immediately locked) primer as a 'test case'. After all, it was merely min-maxing the Tornado into effectiveness by maximizing gank and agility - at the expense of everything else. Wanted to see how CCP would respond to 'innovation' in ganking. They like innovation right? WRONG.

If you discover a good, efficient ganking tactic - you keep it to yourself and tell nobody. Even if it violates no rules, CCP will rewrite the rules based on the 'end result' - not the 'means'. IE: If innovation results in carebears crying, nerfs and rule changes will be incoming. Got it loud and clear, CCP. Thats the last trick I'll openly share with the GMs.

So, where does that leave me?

Tactical Situation:

Case 1. Warping away from a gank.
- This is not an exploit now, and it never was. You are allowed to get your Tornado off-grid to die in a 'safe place'. The Tornado 'drive-by' shooting. This is important if you are dealing with 'white knights' - looking to pod you and/or loot your wreck.

Case 2. Warping repeatedly (with a very agile ship) for 15 minutes until the GCC expires.
- This has always been an exploit, because your ship doesn't die, and I don't know why people are talking about it.

Case 3. Warping away from a gank, and shooting again, then getting caught and exploded.
-This previously was NOT an exploit, but now it is. (because CCP was washed away in Carebear tears, esp. once freighters started going down) Goonswarm had posted videos of doing exactly this, years ago - using about 15 destroyers. Granted, it was not especially common, but it was possible and did happen. It was public knowledge and nobody was banned....because it wasn't considered an exploit because the Tornado did not yet exist.

Further, using the 'fitting service' on your Orca while GCC is STILL LEGAL.
In my experience, this will allow you plenty of time to 'prep your guns' for unfitting.
You can generally save 90-95% of all the mods on a Tornado this way, and it drives the cost of ganking down to the hull price.
Second post will contain a detailed primer.

Strategic Goal:

1. Carebears whined and CCP listened. Why? Because they outnumber us. This needs to be rectified.
2. Ganking miners with Tornados is no a longer profitable endeavor, but can only be done at a loss.
3. Ganking at a loss, I can not match the limitless resources of large botting/RMT operations, so why even try?

Thus: I plan to do my utmost to 'encourage' young mining carebears to quit the game via selective, predatory ganking.
Effective immediately, all operations, reports, and petitions against mining botters will cease. No more 'padding' the KB with my new 'artificial friends'. In my view, mining bots are actually beneficial: They flood the market with minerals/ice and significantly depress 'real miner' earnings.

Resources will now be focused exclusively on hunting 'real' miners. I've found that younger miners are more likely to become discouraged after multiple Exhumer losses and will simply cancel their subscription. This will help achieve the goal of reducing carebear influence over EVE - simply by reducing their numbers.

Do you also reclamate your own tears?

I ******* love this game :popcorn:

There was no rule changed.

It was made totally crystal clear years ago that you must die after you ganked someone in high sec.

You found a hole in the mechanic and exploited it.
And then you talked about it and then it was done so much that CCP has to do something against.

Seen that so many times...

I would not call it coddling carebears exactly, but simply closing a loophole.

Capsulers were never intended to be able to evade the wrath of Concord physically or financially. The addition of the Orca simply created some unintended circumstances CCP is getting around to addressing.

Either your trying CCP to make a change to that too for your own reasons or you really have not learned from what you stateed above.Basically if they change the ''fitting service'' legallity when having a GCC now you know it's your own fault so no need for a new thread ok?

Remember: Big Brother is watching you

I don't have any details (yet) but I would assume with what you have posted so far is that your warping in, blowing up a ship, warping out to somewhere else where you can blow up another ship before CONCORD spawns to take you out. Repeat as many times as you can till CONCORD gets you.

That would qualify as evading CONCORD. You blow up a ship in high sec, you lose your ship. Warping out to attack another ship, avoiding CONCORD response, would be a violation of the rules that CCP have.

You will probably whine more since it looks like it is possible that in the future CCP is going to flag your Orca with a GCC when you go there to swap out modules.

High sec ganking is not suppose to be easy. Get over it.

THB, stop being a pansy and gank the gankers. Battle Hulks are where it's at.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dxawXgeosU

The basis of his plan was that the cane can warp I believe in 3.4 second while it takes 7-10 seconds for Concorde to show up. So in a belt with several miners he can effectively warp in and start warping in between them getting 1-2 volleys in before warping off again, effectively evading Concorde for as long as he can.

Warp long enough and I'm sure your aggression will go away.

So now CCP has to go through your 635 kills and reimburse all those kills - as soon as they petition of course.... thanks for clogging up the petition system even further.


And IB4L?