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Suicide, CCP and the national governments
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RedLion
State Constructions
#1 - 2012-03-30 20:34:44 UTC
Yes this is a Mittani thread, but at the same time it isn't.

Does CCP report to any government/authorities people who makes threats of killing themself IRL? CCP you have the credentials of a player that does this, and you should report to national authorities suicidal people who directly say they will kill themselves. I know that in alot of countries every person, no matter what profession or confidentiality agreement you have, is allowed to report about stuff that can prevent loss of human lives (among others).

I'm not read up on the current situation, but I banning the offender will not solve the issue of suicidal persons. I would ask you to please report anyone that claims to be suicidal, and possibly are, to his authorities.

CCP, you don't need to confirm or deny that you are doing this, of obvious reasons. But, as a guy that lost family members to suicide, I urge you to not pat yourself on the back just because you take action against the offender, but also to take actions to try prevent said persons to commit suicide.

Eve is a social game. CCP must take social responsibility, and you might do this already.

/love
RL
Azriel Geist
Pure Victory
#2 - 2012-03-30 20:44:23 UTC
ibtl

Seriously get over it. It's over. I bet you were depressed after the OJ Simpson trial as well.

Move on buddy :)
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-03-30 20:46:43 UTC
RedLion wrote:
Yes this is a Mittani thread, but at the same time it isn't.

Does CCP report to any government/authorities people who makes threats of killing themself IRL? CCP you have the credentials of a player that does this, and you should report to national authorities suicidal people who directly say they will kill themselves. I know that in alot of countries every person, no matter what profession or confidentiality agreement you have, is allowed to report about stuff that can prevent loss of human lives (among others).

I'm not read up on the current situation, but I banning the offender will not solve the issue of suicidal persons. I would ask you to please report anyone that claims to be suicidal, and possibly are, to his authorities.

CCP, you don't need to confirm or deny that you are doing this, of obvious reasons. But, as a guy that lost family members to suicide, I urge you to not pat yourself on the back just because you take action against the offender, but also to take actions to try prevent said persons to commit suicide.

Eve is a social game. CCP must take social responsibility, and you might do this already.

/love
RL

shut up...enough with threads in this issue..
move on, he got a nice little ban, just hope it was not perma, which i wish it was.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#4 - 2012-03-30 20:47:01 UTC
Yay, it's one of these threads again.



☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-03-30 20:48:21 UTC
RedLion wrote:
Yes this is a Mittani thread, but at the same time it isn't.

Does CCP report to any government/authorities people who makes threats of killing themself IRL? CCP you have the credentials of a player that does this, and you should report to national authorities suicidal people who directly say they will kill themselves. I know that in alot of countries every person, no matter what profession or confidentiality agreement you have, is allowed to report about stuff that can prevent loss of human lives (among others).

I'm not read up on the current situation, but I banning the offender will not solve the issue of suicidal persons. I would ask you to please report anyone that claims to be suicidal, and possibly are, to his authorities.

CCP, you don't need to confirm or deny that you are doing this, of obvious reasons. But, as a guy that lost family members to suicide, I urge you to not pat yourself on the back just because you take action against the offender, but also to take actions to try prevent said persons to commit suicide.

Eve is a social game. CCP must take social responsibility, and you might do this already.

/love
RL


They did actually say in cases like that they'll contact the authorities appropriate for the player. So yeah, they do! Think it was posted somewhere in the dev blog attached thread.
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-03-30 20:50:00 UTC
Jesus Christ, don't you people have anything better to do than talk about a disgraced lawyer that plays videogames???
RedLion
State Constructions
#7 - 2012-03-30 20:50:05 UTC
Azriel Geist wrote:
ibtl

Seriously get over it. It's over. I bet you were depressed after the OJ Simpson trial as well.

Move on buddy :)

This is my way of moving on. I think we all lose loved ones in one way or the other, but prevent people from departing this world too soon is something that is a good thing.

I don't think suicidal people is possible for us "normal" to understand.

I don't know about the OJ simpson trial or what not, and can't see the similarities.
RedLion
State Constructions
#8 - 2012-03-30 20:51:57 UTC
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
They did actually say in cases like that they'll contact the authorities appropriate for the player. So yeah, they do! Think it was posted somewhere in the dev blog attached thread.


Thanks for answer mate.
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-03-30 20:52:38 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:
Jesus Christ, don't you people have anything better to do than talk about a disgraced lawyer that plays videogames???



It would seem not.
C Genix
Genix Family
#10 - 2012-03-30 20:52:43 UTC
Sorry to hear of your loss

The 'contact the local authorities' is really just corporate damage control, and complete BS

can you imagine it

[in Icelandic] Hi this is Iceland calling the romanian police

[in Romanian]Sorry what I can't undestend what your saying

[in Icelndic]Hey what did you say

*click*

Back at CCP HQ

worker - Hey should we hire a Romanian interpreter someone could be dying

manager - Do I look like we are made of money, we did what we could
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-03-30 21:05:15 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
Katja Faith wrote:
Jesus Christ, don't you people have anything better to do than talk about a disgraced lawyer that plays videogames???



It would seem not.


To be fair, the original question was actually pretty legitimate - most games do have contingencies for this, you know! Imagine Blizzard for instance had quite a few things come up with Diablo 2 on hardcore...
RedLion
State Constructions
#12 - 2012-03-30 21:07:38 UTC
C Genix wrote:
Sorry to hear of your loss

The 'contact the local authorities' is really just corporate damage control, and complete BS

can you imagine it

[in Icelandic] Hi this is Iceland calling the romanian police

[in Romanian]Sorry what I can't undestend what your saying

[in Icelndic]Hey what did you say

*click*

Back at CCP HQ

worker - Hey should we hire a Romanian interpreter someone could be dying

manager - Do I look like we are made of money, we did what we could

While yes, it may be futile, at least if it's done the way you sketch it up. But your example is a bit extreme. Alot of countries have help lines for suicidal persons. It can be christian or muslim, it can be humanitarian. You can also call the police or social services etc.

I understand that you may think it's invasion of your private life if CCP report you to any authorities if you are suicidal. The exact laws for each country I can't answer for.

As CCP is already taking this responsiblity. I apologize for posting on forum. But I tried searching for this information before, I really did.
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-03-30 21:18:48 UTC
RedLion wrote:
C Genix wrote:
Sorry to hear of your loss

The 'contact the local authorities' is really just corporate damage control, and complete BS

can you imagine it

[in Icelandic] Hi this is Iceland calling the romanian police

[in Romanian]Sorry what I can't undestend what your saying

[in Icelndic]Hey what did you say

*click*

Back at CCP HQ

worker - Hey should we hire a Romanian interpreter someone could be dying

manager - Do I look like we are made of money, we did what we could

While yes, it may be futile, at least if it's done the way you sketch it up. But your example is a bit extreme. Alot of countries have help lines for suicidal persons. It can be christian or muslim, it can be humanitarian. You can also call the police or social services etc.

I understand that you may think it's invasion of your private life if CCP report you to any authorities if you are suicidal. The exact laws for each country I can't answer for.

As CCP is already taking this responsiblity. I apologize for posting on forum. But I tried searching for this information before, I really did.


I'd honestly expect most countries would have a central number for that which would probably know common world languages, E.G: English. I also imagine that CCP's GM team also has people that can speak a reasonable amount of world languages. Either of these means that someone will get the message.
And most countries would accept information to prevent any attempt at self-harm as being a perfectly reason to provide necessary personal information.
But IANAL.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#14 - 2012-03-30 21:20:38 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:
Jesus Christ, don't you people have anything better to do than talk about a disgraced lawyer that plays videogames???

Think it should instead be "...about a disgraced videogamer who is also a lawyer." Not being a smarta**, just kind of nitpicky about nouns and their modifiers/modifying clauses.
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-03-30 21:28:02 UTC
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
Sasha Azala wrote:
Katja Faith wrote:
Jesus Christ, don't you people have anything better to do than talk about a disgraced lawyer that plays videogames???



It would seem not.


To be fair, the original question was actually pretty legitimate - most games do have contingencies for this, you know! Imagine Blizzard for instance had quite a few things come up with Diablo 2 on hardcore...


I've actually read that Blizzard GM's have "panic buttons" for when players make suicide threats which immediately gets a supervisor involved.
Danfen Fenix
#16 - 2012-03-30 21:34:22 UTC
Wasn't there a story where CCP contacted the Italtian police about a suicide case, which lead to the person getting help ?

Or was that another company? P
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#17 - 2012-03-30 21:34:55 UTC
[sigh] This is getting quite boring.

Well, let me rephrase that.

"Nothing to see here, move on."

Nothing clever at this time.
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-03-30 21:36:51 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
Sasha Azala wrote:
Katja Faith wrote:
Jesus Christ, don't you people have anything better to do than talk about a disgraced lawyer that plays videogames???



It would seem not.


To be fair, the original question was actually pretty legitimate - most games do have contingencies for this, you know! Imagine Blizzard for instance had quite a few things come up with Diablo 2 on hardcore...


I've actually read that Blizzard GM's have "panic buttons" for when players make suicide threats which immediately gets a supervisor involved.


That honestly doesn't surprise me.
I can see it getting reinstated for Diablo 3 once they finally get PvP in as well.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-03-30 21:37:40 UTC
RedLion wrote:
Yes this is a Mittani thread, but at the same time it isn't.

Does CCP report to any government/authorities people who makes threats of killing themself IRL? CCP you have the credentials of a player that does this, and you should report to national authorities suicidal people who directly say they will kill themselves. I know that in alot of countries every person, no matter what profession or confidentiality agreement you have, is allowed to report about stuff that can prevent loss of human lives (among others).

I'm not read up on the current situation, but I banning the offender will not solve the issue of suicidal persons. I would ask you to please report anyone that claims to be suicidal, and possibly are, to his authorities.

CCP, you don't need to confirm or deny that you are doing this, of obvious reasons. But, as a guy that lost family members to suicide, I urge you to not pat yourself on the back just because you take action against the offender, but also to take actions to try prevent said persons to commit suicide.

Eve is a social game. CCP must take social responsibility, and you might do this already.

/love
RL


Wow, not only was this in the Dev Blog, but it was stated in the various threads that some GM's/Dev's responded to.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB
Tokclik
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-03-30 21:43:03 UTC
Do not play around with the ~suicide~ card. Yes, CCP contacts the appropriate agency.
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