EVE General Discussion

You mean to tinker with the CONCORD spawn timer is fine? You may be in for a surprise. :)

This is a ******* terrible system tbh. It works for suicide gankers that read the forums, but consider the following.

Warning: Rant begins.

Player 'Bob' is a pirate. He is also a casual player, and does not read the forums. He like blowing up mackinaws in Oishami. Player 'Bob' has pirate friend 'Jill'. Jill shows him a cool trick where he can do a bit more damage before getting concorded. Bob thinks this is really cool

But Bob is also an upstanding citizen of Eve. He checks the available rules, which state that avoiding death by concord is illegal. But using Jill's trick, Bob might live a little longer, but he still dies to Concord. So everything seems legit. A few days later he gets temp banned by a GM.

The problem in the above scenario is as follows. There are readily available rules in EvE. These rules are readily enforced by concord. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for violating the law.

But in the above scenario, Bob isn't ignorant of the law. He is ignorant of some vague 'spirit of the law' which is a subjective interpretation by a handful of GM's which changes on a pretty regular basis(1)(2). You can ask people to obey the law. It is their responsibility to do so. But asking people to keep up with how, currently, the GM's interpret the law by way of EvE-O forums is dumb. Because that's exactly what this 'spirit of the law' crap is doing (no offense intended).


Rant over.




(1) Example: in the past people have been punished for dropping decloak cans on gates and in bubbles. Only quite recently, within the last year or so, has dropping large amount of cans on a gate for purposes of decloak been effectively 'legalized'

(2)Example: Rapecageing supers in a pos by deploying tons of bubbles to cover every escape routes was also punishable at one point. It is not any longer.

So, you've taken away our ability to run from the police in a sandbox.

Well done CCP.

We adjusted the wording slightly to make it less ambiguous. See the full text here:

http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4972&tid=1

I also have to restate that we value the spirit of the law over the letter of the law. Also avoiding CONCORD in any way is simply not allowed, attempts to find loopholes in the wording will not fly.

You do realize that CCP always has that "we can ban you at any time for any reason or no reason at all" thing for them to fall back on, right? So CCP can decide to ban you based on the "spirit of the law" and you won't be able to use some sort of technicality to force CCP to not ban you.

I cant run from the "Space police" now if I shoot someone in empire and run back to finish them off???


nice killing the sandbox.

Just for the record;

What people are talking about is calling concord to another belt BEFORE you gank. This lowers your sec status, and abides both the spirit and the letter of the law.

If CCP changes that mechanic also they can go pound salt.

Thank you, that is clearer.

CCP To playerbase:

Stop playing our game supposedly based on freedom in new and innovative ways, or we'll ban you.

This means specific indicidents can be arbitrarily acted upon by different GMs. This is Not Good.