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Vuokko Liara
Dead Eternity
#1 - 2012-03-30 06:13:22 UTC
It seems like there are two ways to progress in exploration

1.
all in one
racial prober - highsec
arbitrator - highsec/lowsec
pilgrim - highsec/lowsec
tengu - highsec/lowsec/null

2.
separate ships
racial prober/frigate
racial prober/cruiser
racial prober/bc
racial prober/orca/bs

am I about right or am I wrong
If I am right then all in one seems pretty erratic and the separate ships brings up a host of logistical problems (as if you don't have enough of those getting your stuff to market :D)

It also seems like having separate ships is more of a setup for someone who is a part time explorer that does maybe 3-4 jumps from his mission hub only to go back and do missions

Anyway just looking for advice preferably for an all in one. Maybe something that doesn't jump around skills so much.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-03-30 06:16:55 UTC  |  Edited by: St Mio
You can add Vexor + Ishtar to (1), or just Gallente drone ships in general.

As for which all-in-one, as much as I dislike flying them, there is a reason everyone flies Tengus.

You're applying your DPS out consistently from 0km to 100km+.
You can speed tank, sig tank, active shield tank and range tank, all at the same time in the standard fit.
You don't have to worry about NPCs with Tracking Disruptors or Neuts/Vamps.
You don't have to worry about frigs getting under your guns.
As long as acceleration gates don't drop you in range, you can stay out of range of web and neut towers and kill them.
Bent Barrel
#3 - 2012-03-30 06:49:10 UTC
in general you are right. however that depends on which sites you specialize in ... you can do radar/mag sites mostly in the covops frig since they don't have heavy NPC presence in most cases ...

f.e. the T3s are the ultimate all-in-one ships for this purpose (with Tengu being king), however any droneship will do as well (ishtar/gila are the best here).

(k-space that is)
Vuokko Liara
Dead Eternity
#4 - 2012-03-30 07:04:55 UTC
Bent Barrel wrote:
in general you are right. however that depends on which sites you specialize in ... you can do radar/mag sites mostly in the covops frig since they don't have heavy NPC presence in most cases ...

f.e. the T3s are the ultimate all-in-one ships for this purpose (with Tengu being king), however any droneship will do as well (ishtar/gila are the best here).

(k-space that is)


no warp while cloaked makes me a sad panda not that its a big deal it would just be kind of nice if the other t3 didn't fall so far behind the tengu. I wish it was more viable to move up through your racial ships into your own races t3 and be viable for exploration/pve but what're you gonna do amiright.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-03-30 07:18:54 UTC
Vuokko Liara wrote:
Bent Barrel wrote:
in general you are right. however that depends on which sites you specialize in ... you can do radar/mag sites mostly in the covops frig since they don't have heavy NPC presence in most cases ...

f.e. the T3s are the ultimate all-in-one ships for this purpose (with Tengu being king), however any droneship will do as well (ishtar/gila are the best here).

(k-space that is)


no warp while cloaked makes me a sad panda not that its a big deal it would just be kind of nice if the other t3 didn't fall so far behind the tengu. I wish it was more viable to move up through your racial ships into your own races t3 and be viable for exploration/pve but what're you gonna do amiright.

It's not the same, but the MWD+Cloak warp trick is better than nothing.
Mnemosyne Gloob
#6 - 2012-03-30 08:25:53 UTC
imicus - vexor - ishtar (gila) is a pretty nice progression. also drake - tengu or arbitrator - pilgrim - legion. not sure about minnie ships, maybe something like rupture - hurricane - muninn/vagabond/cynabal/loki, but in general you don't see them much except their t3.

Above all however i would say have fun while doing Exploration. Don't be too much of a min-maxer but try out different ships to see how they work. There's already enough elitist mindless tengu pilots swarming about the galaxy.
Fierceshot
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-03-30 11:15:56 UTC
All in one IMO: Racial covops --> Tengu.

Yes i know any ship with a spare high can fit a probe launcher and explore, but knowing that any site i try to scan down in an Arbitrator can be scanned down almost twice as fast in my Cheetah or Tengu drives me utterly insane...

"pro" tip: if you feel you might suffer from the same affliction, skip all bonused ships until youre in your T3 of choiceCool
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#8 - 2012-03-30 15:20:43 UTC
Fierceshot wrote:
All in one IMO: Racial covops --> Tengu.

Yes i know any ship with a spare high can fit a probe launcher and explore, but knowing that any site i try to scan down in an Arbitrator can be scanned down almost twice as fast in my Cheetah or Tengu drives me utterly insane...

"pro" tip: if you feel you might suffer from the same affliction, skip all bonused ships until youre in your T3 of choiceCool


Or just gtfo of high sec. Scanning speed in low sec backwaters isn't nearly as important. I can count the number of times I've had someone else's core probes (not combat, but that's the other thing about low sec...) on dscan in the last month on one hand.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#9 - 2012-03-30 15:28:07 UTC
Another class of ship I've found to be very effective (especially in highsec) is AFs. They can run pretty much anything except Vigils (darn webbing towers) in highsec with proper skills and a good fit. I've personally used the Ishkur and Wolf to great success while fit for both combat sites and Radars (with an analyzer in my cargohold). As an added bonus you can swing by any static plexes that the bots have overlooked while you're roaming around to supplement your exploration drops.
Fierceshot
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-03-30 15:32:58 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Fierceshot wrote:
All in one IMO: Racial covops --> Tengu.

Yes i know any ship with a spare high can fit a probe launcher and explore, but knowing that any site i try to scan down in an Arbitrator can be scanned down almost twice as fast in my Cheetah or Tengu drives me utterly insane...

"pro" tip: if you feel you might suffer from the same affliction, skip all bonused ships until youre in your T3 of choiceCool


Or just gtfo of high sec. Scanning speed in low sec backwaters isn't nearly as important. I can count the number of times I've had someone else's core probes (not combat, but that's the other thing about low sec...) on dscan in the last month on one hand.


Where in my post did i say i was scanning in hi-sec, and where did i say anything about the importance of scanning speed?

I said that scanning in an unbonused ship drives me utterly insane....
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#11 - 2012-03-30 15:46:42 UTC
Fierceshot wrote:
Where in my post did i say i was scanning in hi-sec, and where did i say anything about the importance of scanning speed?

I said that scanning in an unbonused ship drives me utterly insane....


Fair enough. But then what is the problem with unbonused ships?
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#12 - 2012-03-30 15:56:15 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Fierceshot wrote:
Where in my post did i say i was scanning in hi-sec, and where did i say anything about the importance of scanning speed?

I said that scanning in an unbonused ship drives me utterly insane....


Fair enough. But then what is the problem with unbonused ships?


There isn't really one. I've spent LOTS of time scanning with unbonused ships, I can scan sigs down with them just as easily as in a bonused ship, it's just practice. The only thing that bonused ships really have going for them is DSPs and the ability to lock sigs in the 0.02 band without high skills (there's not a ton of stuff in those bands though).
Fierceshot
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-03-30 16:21:48 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Fierceshot wrote:
Where in my post did i say i was scanning in hi-sec, and where did i say anything about the importance of scanning speed?

I said that scanning in an unbonused ship drives me utterly insane....


Fair enough. But then what is the problem with unbonused ships?


The problem isnt with the unbonused ship, but with me. Scanning in a unbonused ship after using a bonused ship that can do it faster, for any length of time bugs me.

Yes its irrational, but thats just how i tick....(that it bugs me actually bugs me aswell lol)