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[Proposal - UPDATED] CSPA Inadeqaute - We need a new way to stop the eve mail spam "exploit&

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-03-30 15:01:15 UTC
Ho yeas me likes, but I'm sure awaxers would hate.

Please CCP do it, let me set CSP charge based on standings and let me increase from that silly Million to 10 million be it for convo or mail.

I don't have to use it, but I'd like to be able to do this.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-03-30 17:02:08 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Ho yeas me likes, but I'm sure awaxers would hate.

Please CCP do it, let me set CSP charge based on standings and let me increase from that silly Million to 10 million be it for convo or mail.

I don't have to use it, but I'd like to be able to do this.


Dont foroget....that 10 mil should go to YOUR pocket....for your troubles.

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-03-31 11:49:55 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
Ho yeas me likes, but I'm sure awaxers would hate.

Please CCP do it, let me set CSP charge based on standings and let me increase from that silly Million to 10 million be it for convo or mail.

I don't have to use it, but I'd like to be able to do this.


Dont foroget....that 10 mil should go to YOUR pocket....for your troubles.


Well I'd like to but if it's another way to take isk out of the game then I'd say 50/50. That would make me 5M isk better man each stupid convo or stop being convo by 14YO pubbies thinking because this char is female that I (behind the PC) I'm a girl.
It's really funny how stupid guys can be at that age, jesus hopefully for me at that age I was playing with real melons instead of a mice and a screen trying to get pixels from a girl.

6Milliards right now? -well give computers and video games to all kids in the planet and population will decrease a little bit, it's maybe the better way to preserve our food stock Lol



Corian Teranos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-05-04 01:27:37 UTC
i like the idea of getting rid of the isk system all together and changing it to a more configurable white list black list system. there are times i want to convo people to ask questions about non spam like ship fittings and i dont appreciate having to pay a fine for legitimate comm use
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-05-04 01:53:22 UTC
Corian Teranos wrote:
i like the idea of getting rid of the isk system all together and changing it to a more configurable white list black list system. there are times i want to convo people to ask questions about non spam like ship fittings and i dont appreciate having to pay a fine for legitimate comm use


Works for me. :)

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-05-04 01:54:42 UTC
Added previous suggestion to my proposal.

SmileCool

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#27 - 2012-05-04 18:24:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Carrigan
CSPA working as intended. It can be set up to a million ISK, and after a while, the attritition of spending a million ISK to spam several hundred, or several thousand people eats away at someone's wallet.

For every hundred, that's a hundred million.

For every thousand, that's a billion.

Do the simple mathematics. And the setup of a complete CSPA overhaul would be an overwhelming pain in the **** that would take time away from FiS and WiS content.

Furthermore, them spamming to push their product is an ISK sink, albeit a small one, it is still an ISK sink.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

||CEO: Order of the Shadow||Executor: The Revenant Order||Creator: Bowhead||

Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-05-04 19:07:09 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
CSPA working as intended. It can be set up to a million ISK, and after a while, the attritition of spending a million ISK to spam several hundred, or several thousand people eats away at someone's wallet.

For every hundred, that's a hundred million.

For every thousand, that's a billion.

Do the simple mathematics. And the setup of a complete CSPA overhaul would be an overwhelming pain in the **** that would take time away from FiS and WiS content.

Furthermore, them spamming to push their product is an ISK sink, albeit a small one, it is still an ISK sink.


Yes...and as I was pointing out....make the isk go to YOUR wallet since your the one putting up with the #### altogether instead of some magic black hole.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#29 - 2012-05-04 23:33:48 UTC
That would defeat the purpose of it being an ISK sink.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-05-05 00:13:45 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
That would defeat the purpose of it being an ISK sink.


Think about it differently.

If someone decides to spam you to no end....they know the ISK is going to your pocket...which benefits you..and gives you ammo to shame them.

If it goes to a black hole...they likely don't give a crap and have nothing to show for it.

Its psychological mental warfare....I don't care if you spam me if I make money off of you.

But right now...CSPA means nothing to most people who have the ISK to burn without question.

Might as well make it a benefit....in otherwords...get paid for spam.


Of course its already been suggested a whitelist/blacklist idea works as well.

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Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-05-05 21:31:33 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Jack Carrigan wrote:
That would defeat the purpose of it being an ISK sink.


Think about it differently.

If someone decides to spam you to no end....they know the ISK is going to your pocket...which benefits you..and gives you ammo to shame them.

If it goes to a black hole...they likely don't give a crap and have nothing to show for it.

Its psychological mental warfare....I don't care if you spam me if I make money off of you.

But right now...CSPA means nothing to most people who have the ISK to burn without question.

Might as well make it a benefit....in otherwords...get paid for spam.


Of course its already been suggested a whitelist/blacklist idea works as well.



just one more way to wash isk huh? great.
what other rmt friendly proposals will you make?

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.

Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#32 - 2012-05-05 22:53:38 UTC
So basically you'd turn spam into an ISK faucet. Sounds like another delusional carebear-engineered idea.

Turn it into an ISK sink, and it would help stabilize the market, and/or reduce the spam eventually.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#33 - 2012-05-06 05:13:52 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
So basically you'd turn spam into an ISK faucet. Sounds like another delusional carebear-engineered idea.

Turn it into an ISK sink, and it would help stabilize the market, and/or reduce the spam eventually.

No, he's asking (in one idea) to have spam be an isk handchanger.
No different than the market (minus taxes).


And CSPA charge has no effect on spam received. I have gotten 4 mass mails in 2 years, and my charge is zero.



As to this suggestion, meh. It doesn't bother me, but I can understand the annoyance.
Koreli Stelios
Mining Manufacture and Muling
#34 - 2012-05-30 02:22:34 UTC
Awwwweee! Is Icle Drakey all bothered by something. Does he not like getting nice friendly mails from people when its out of his control?

Ahw, its almost like being Mail Ganked. But instead of it blowing up your ship it makes Drakeys head explode cos he has to read all them words. And we all know you don't cope well with lots of words. That's why you write in all those spaced out broken up sentences right, so you don't get to lost, keep your mind wrapped round it all.

Here's an idea, why don't you just not read it? And instead of trying to have things changed so you can make more ISK for nothing do as suggested and block those who send it to you.

Hmm, it almost seems unfair that they are generally the players with enough ISK not to care about the mail cost... Oh but yes of course
Drake Draconis wrote:
this is not the place for "fairness"
this place being EVE online. Well Didums!

Oh or here's a final thought.
Drake Draconis wrote:
Its called pay attention to your environment
and don't worry about your mail so much if you just flew into Jita.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-05-30 03:26:09 UTC
Koreli Stelios wrote:
Awwwweee! Is Icle Drakey all bothered by something. Does he not like getting nice friendly mails from people when its out of his control?

Ahw, its almost like being Mail Ganked. But instead of it blowing up your ship it makes Drakeys head explode cos he has to read all them words. And we all know you don't cope well with lots of words. That's why you write in all those spaced out broken up sentences right, so you don't get to lost, keep your mind wrapped round it all.

Here's an idea, why don't you just not read it? And instead of trying to have things changed so you can make more ISK for nothing do as suggested and block those who send it to you.

Hmm, it almost seems unfair that they are generally the players with enough ISK not to care about the mail cost... Oh but yes of course
Drake Draconis wrote:
this is not the place for "fairness"
this place being EVE online. Well Didums!

Oh or here's a final thought.
Drake Draconis wrote:
Its called pay attention to your environment
and don't worry about your mail so much if you just flew into Jita.


Ok... I'm going to assume you have a kindergarten education and never made it through high school.

That said....

There is a difference expecting someone to have a fair fight planned when you get can flipped.

And an exploitation of mechanics when it comes to spamming the entirety of EVE Online for the singular intent of advertisement without consequences.

The can flipper you oh so hate is just as much at risk as you are...you can shoot him back...and blow him up even.

Its a proven fact.


You cannot however stop the initial spam flood because at least 1 message will always get through regardless of CSPA.


Now if your nooblet carebear brain cant fathom that...then you have no business making such ridiculous comments. Please go back to school and bother to learn to read and think before you respond.

Thank you.

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Koreli Stelios
Mining Manufacture and Muling
#36 - 2012-05-30 13:38:10 UTC
My answer was very well thought out. You call it ridiculous and yet its just the sort of answer you would give people when you don't like an idea. Condescending, unconstructive and quite rude really. And then you have the gall and hypocrisy to tell me that, effectively, i'm childish and need to think before i speak! You are only truly speaking to yourself there i'm afraid to say. Its not just about my idea but all the ideas I've seen you post on that YOU don't like. It only needs be said simply "I don't support this idea" and if you have a good constructive reason to say why.

Now, in truth it would, yes, be a little annoying to keep receiving spam mail. Though personally i'm always in Jita and have rarely experienced this. Perhaps that s the luck and a perk of being a Nooblet Carebear :P Haha, though i'm not sure they are going to be fussy in mass player mailing. But surely there can only be so many of these guys at any one time and if you just take 2 seconds to block them as they come its not a great effort. And it doesn't just block their second mail it blocks them for good.

Though at the same point, while i see there maybe some reason to them doing this if its to look for gaining votes or what ever, i can see other methods. Not least just plain old Jet-can advertisement. And perhaps rather than sinking ISK just through paying the right to mail CCP could do this by charging ISK to put a simple message on billboards for a certain time and just put a few more billboards in clearer view of gates and even outside stations.

For now, for your own benefit just block them haha. But in all i think its perhaps unneeded to mail and a change could even provide more immersion to the game. So as surprising as it may seem i am going to support your idea.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-05-30 14:09:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Koreli Stelios wrote:
My answer was very well thought out. You call it ridiculous and yet its just the sort of answer you would give people when you don't like an idea. Condescending, unconstructive and quite rude really. And then you have the gall and hypocrisy to tell me that, effectively, i'm childish and need to think before i speak! You are only truly speaking to yourself there i'm afraid to say. Its not just about my idea but all the ideas I've seen you post on that YOU don't like. It only needs be said simply "I don't support this idea" and if you have a good constructive reason to say why.

Now, in truth it would, yes, be a little annoying to keep receiving spam mail. Though personally i'm always in Jita and have rarely experienced this. Perhaps that s the luck and a perk of being a Nooblet Carebear :P Haha, though i'm not sure they are going to be fussy in mass player mailing. But surely there can only be so many of these guys at any one time and if you just take 2 seconds to block them as they come its not a great effort. And it doesn't just block their second mail it blocks them for good.

Though at the same point, while i see there maybe some reason to them doing this if its to look for gaining votes or what ever, i can see other methods. Not least just plain old Jet-can advertisement. And perhaps rather than sinking ISK just through paying the right to mail CCP could do this by charging ISK to put a simple message on billboards for a certain time and just put a few more billboards in clearer view of gates and even outside stations.

For now, for your own benefit just block them haha. But in all i think its perhaps unneeded to mail and a change could even provide more immersion to the game. So as surprising as it may seem i am going to support your idea.


Are you capable of posting without contradiction and hypocrisy or is this a past time for you?

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Koreli Stelios
Mining Manufacture and Muling
#38 - 2012-05-30 15:38:00 UTC
If i have been contradictory or hypocritical in what ive said it was with the greatest of intention in order to make a point to you about your own behavior toward others.

But beyond that I have given you a post that is rather light hearted, tries to make helpful suggestion and over all supports your cause.
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-05-30 15:46:02 UTC
Ive gotten maybe 3 spam mails all year. two of them were CSM's running for office.

I dont see it as an issue tbh

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net

Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-05-30 16:13:16 UTC
Amun Khonsu wrote:
Ive gotten maybe 3 spam mails all year. two of them were CSM's running for office.

I dont see it as an issue tbh


If you take care to read my post....its a potentail threat that could get out of hand if left unchecked....its a gaping hole waiting to be exploited.

Its not a problem now...but it will be.

And at best why not route the CSPA fees to your wallet instead of a black hole.

If I'm going to get crap mail...I'd rather get paid for it....then its not crap mail.

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