EVE General Discussion

The mission bots would just switch to lv3 missions. Or even more mining bots.



Because making CCP lose a large number of subs when they have financing problems is a good idea.



Yeah, let's nerf logistics, they're not enough of a chore already. I'm not even sure it's possible to go from Amarr to Jita without going throught a 0.5.



Which will help the shortage of R&D slots a ton.



Overall, your suggestions look like you want ot catter only to YOUR vision of what Eve should be, while not thinking a second about the after-effects they would cause. This is a child's approach to balancing.




That might counter them a whole week. Then they'd find a way. Don't underestimate bot makers, in other games you have bots that pvp better than regular players.

I'm going to say that that sounds very much like a discredit to the game's pvp then a credit to the bot makers.

lol lvl4 missions

I completely agree with the first part, if it wouldn't be MY vision, why would I speak for it? But of course I have thought about the consequences, they obviously are the reason to make these changes. Whether or not you you like them is purely subjective. However, I think my vision is very close to the basic concept of EVE:



Do you notice how badly mission-running conflicts with the idea of sandbox? Completing missions does not have persistent effects on the universe, or any other player. It only changes the state of the mission runner in relation to NPC entities via standings, and if you don't sell the mission loot or LP store items, but keep them or reprocess and manufacture ammunition or ships for your own use out of them, you never ever fleetingly touch the sandbox. It's sad that this is possible.

You can run the same missions over and over and over and over again and behold! Worlds Collide again! What's wrong with the Damsel, she never learns? And thousands of others saved the same damn Damsel already tonight. This is not part of a persistent world.



Where did I mention balancing?



There are no absolute preventive measures against the human mind, that is why we dominate other species- we innovate, adapt and create without the need to wait for natural selection happening over generations. My suggestion could only make screen-scraping bots more complicated to get running optimally, why not make them work for it? Code-injected bots it obviously can't counter, but most importantly it would make mining more fun and interesting to human players- maybe this decreases the incentive to bot?

My view is that the greatest reward that a sandbox can offer is sense of achievement of creating something out of nothing, by yourself. This includes a huge variety of both direct game-mechanic related things, but also the social aspects, and innovation- winning the mechanics with your brain... and the destruction of things other people create.

I don't feel that EVE needs to cater to people unwilling to step into the sandbox. These people seem to be reliant on devs to continuously provide them with new, shiny content, while they should be 100% protected from whole open-world universe. While those who embrace the sandbox create content for themselves and others, and only wish for the devs to finetune the existing mechanics.

Ban all bot ant the prices will go up, like they are now.

Well, you are correct, but wouldn't you agree that it is more provocative than "there is some controversy regarding the current location of level 4 missions"

I seem to have left these unanswered:



Level 3s should be balanced so that it's impossible to generate enough isk for a PLEX in a month then. Suicide gankers can keep the mining bot issue from getting out of hand :)



I doubt it would cause mass unsubs. Those who love EVE would adapt, don't worry. And CCP is doing fine financially according to the latest publication on that matter: http://techcrunch.com/2012/02/21/eve-online-saw-66m-in-revenue-last-year-mulls-ipo/



Why is going through 0.4 a problem for you? We get only random direct access to hisec, and handle everyday logistics via lowsec.



What shortage? There are free slots in lowsec stations all the time. That's where I did my research before we anchored a lab in our pos.

Attitude, that could be your problem.

sounds like it is working to me. Rats and missions have a set amount of isk on them, minerals rise and fall to the players demand. Also sounds to me like you were probably clearing a hi sec belt, of course it's going to suck... get a mining fleet in a wormhole or hook up wih a 0.0 corp wih mining ops... you will see a major jump in that. Back when I used to mine null for a ship builder with one of my alts I was making a killing hitting the abc ores

Why so aggressive?



You are implying that hisec has caused the popularity, which I don't think you can prove in any way.



I tried to make my view very clear in the previous post- it's the only part of EVE completely detached from the rest of the sandbox. It's not a major personal problem for me. Missions and the culture born around them seem to create tensions among the player base.



That would imply that most people don't care for the queues, and can plan their operations around the limitations of the environment. Or just build a POS and behold, free slots.

But thanks for your input, very valuable indeed.

Sorry, we all pay the same price to play the game. Your style of play is not more important than anybody elses. You are not superior. Low sec mission running is nonsensical as missions have to be run in a PvE fit ship and the gankers will no doubt be using PvP fit ships so you're giving yourself a death sentence.

Unless of course you think people are going to pay for an escort of PvP ships to watch over them as they run missions, therefore reducing the income made from said missions to pay for protection.

It just isn't going to happen. Sorry. People like to play the game running missions, occasional mining and hauling and maybe a little PvP thrown in sometimes. Not everybody wants to PvP all the time. If you don't like that then I'm afraid you're gonna have to just suck it up and carry on playing or find another game.