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EVETransfer.com: Poke it with sticks, tell me what you don't like
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Sonoshee Boost
EVE Transfer
#1 - 2012-03-30 02:40:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonoshee Boost
Several sleepless nights have lead to the creation of this:

http://evetransfer.com/

The design goal behind ET is to allow people to transfer ships and other items on their own, while still having the security of a third party. Most of the process is completely automated (Disputes and payouts are done manually, mostly because CCP hates bots and I don't want people trying to game a system with disputes).

Basically the process ensures that the isk is secured before the asset is transferred. This has a number of advantages:

  1. Eliminates last minute lowballing
  2. Ensures the buyer actually has the ISK
  3. Discourages buyer traps since their ISK is on the line


Anyway, enough of the theory talk, the process works like this

  1. Seller opens a transfer request
  2. Buyer transfers ISK to the EVE Transfer corp
  3. Website auto-verifies deposit(s) amount to the total on the request
  4. Seller hands over his ****
  5. Buyer confirms he got the item as described
  6. Seller confirms transfer went OK
  7. Seller gets paid


Anywhere in the process, a dispute can be opened, and certain stages allow cancellation if the order needs to be adjusted after the buyer has already made payment.

Ok that's cool, but what does it have to do with me?

Right now I'd like people to just poke around with the site, try it out and give their thoughts and feedback. If there's anything I can change, add, or remove to make the process easier, I'd love to know.

Right now please test with small amounts of isk ( Less than 10 ). Note that payout times are going to be terrible right now as I'm getting ready to head out on vacation, and beaches > EVE. I'll still try to check at least once a day though, so you'll get your 10 isk back in a reasonable amount of time :P
Ohh Yeah
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#2 - 2012-03-30 02:50:48 UTC
My Chribba backbone
OfBalance
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-03-30 02:55:20 UTC
Sonoshee Boost wrote:

Anyway, enough of the theory talk, the process works like this

  1. Buyer opens a transfer request
  2. Seller transfers ISK to the EVE Transfer corp
  3. Website auto-verifies deposit(s) amount to the total on the request
  4. Buyer hands over his ****
  5. Seller confirms he got the item as described
  6. Buyer confirms transfer went OK
  7. Buyer gets paid



I may have found an issue.
Sonoshee Boost
EVE Transfer
#4 - 2012-03-30 03:00:00 UTC
OfBalance wrote:
Sonoshee Boost wrote:

Anyway, enough of the theory talk, the process works like this

  1. Buyer opens a transfer request
  2. Seller transfers ISK to the EVE Transfer corp
  3. Website auto-verifies deposit(s) amount to the total on the request
  4. Buyer hands over his ****
  5. Seller confirms he got the item as described
  6. Buyer confirms transfer went OK
  7. Buyer gets paid



I may have found an issue.


That should be "Buyer"... actually the whole thing is backwards. Edit time.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-03-30 03:08:00 UTC
Sonoshee Boost wrote:
OfBalance wrote:
Sonoshee Boost wrote:

Anyway, enough of the theory talk, the process works like this

  1. Buyer opens a transfer request
  2. Seller transfers ISK to the EVE Transfer corp
  3. Website auto-verifies deposit(s) amount to the total on the request
  4. Buyer hands over his ****
  5. Seller confirms he got the item as described
  6. Buyer confirms transfer went OK
  7. Buyer gets paid



I may have found an issue.


That should be "Buyer"... actually the whole thing is backwards. Edit time.


Interestingly enough, that was only half the issue.
Sonoshee Boost
EVE Transfer
#6 - 2012-03-30 03:13:07 UTC
OfBalance wrote:
Interestingly enough, that was only half the issue.


Yes, I started this thread to swindle you out of TENS OF ISK. I will rule EVE with an iron fist.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-03-30 03:17:56 UTC
Sonoshee Boost wrote:
OfBalance wrote:
Interestingly enough, that was only half the issue.


Yes, I started this thread to swindle you out of TENS OF ISK. I will rule EVE with an iron fist.


I too, utilize a third party transfer service for items valued in the tens of isk range.
Florian Bao
Black Box Technologies
#8 - 2012-03-30 04:11:13 UTC
How is this not a scam? +1 for a pretty website tho. almost looks like it was made by CCP
Sonoshee Boost
EVE Transfer
#9 - 2012-03-30 04:32:35 UTC
Florian Bao wrote:
How is this not a scam? +1 for a pretty website tho. almost looks like it was made by CCP


I obviously can't prove to anyone that I'm not scamming, much in the same way Chribba and Darkness couldn't. I simply built a system to fill what I felt was a need.

Part of the reason I'm asking for feedback on the process is to help identify problems or points of failure. I want this to be fairly fool proof so that it might actually be useful. I don't want this to become a tool for scammers to rip people off with, so the more input the better.

I'm not asking for anyone's trust right now, I'd just like a few minutes of your time to make a simple 1 ISK test order with, and get a feel for the process.

Also for the record, the background is part of the official EVE fansite kit, so technically parts of it indeed were made by CCP.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-03-30 04:33:14 UTC
Florian Bao wrote:
How is this not a scam? +1 for a pretty website tho. almost looks like it was made by CCP


Well you see, ~automation~ and of course that pretty website are what amounts to legitimacy around here (see: Phazer inc.). The proposition being, you fork over 80bil for that titan to the oh-so-trustworthy transfer corp (move over Chribba!) and... well, I think that is where I stopped reading.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-03-30 08:18:52 UTC
I don't really see the point of this - for everything that can be traded inside a station contracts offer 100% scam protection without having to trust a 3rd party.

For anything else the amount of manual workload expected from a 3rd party (e.g. setting up a POS in some quiet low-sec system to facilitate the exchange) makes the value of a little automation questionable - and if you are not present at the transfer of the item you have no good way of resolving disputes.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#12 - 2012-03-30 08:27:25 UTC
I like the background.
Wukulo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-03-30 15:20:02 UTC
OfBalance wrote:
Sonoshee Boost wrote:
OfBalance wrote:
Interestingly enough, that was only half the issue.


Yes, I started this thread to swindle you out of TENS OF ISK. I will rule EVE with an iron fist.


I too, utilize a third party transfer service for items valued in the tens of isk range.


Finally a service that will allow me to transfer my Exotic Dancers and Metal scraps with ease and peace of mind.

Posted on main because I'm not a coward like the rest of you.
Sonoshee Boost
EVE Transfer
#14 - 2012-03-31 04:15:25 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
I don't really see the point of this - for everything that can be traded inside a station contracts offer 100% scam protection without having to trust a 3rd party.

For anything else the amount of manual workload expected from a 3rd party (e.g. setting up a POS in some quiet low-sec system to facilitate the exchange) makes the value of a little automation questionable - and if you are not present at the transfer of the item you have no good way of resolving disputes.


Understandable, which is why I suggest most people fraps the trade. It's a bit annoying but it's very difficult to forge. Obviously in cases where you strongly suspect a scam it's probably safer to go with an in-person third party, but for things like in-corp transfers or other trades with little risk, it's a nice layer of protection.

There are lots of cases where ET is more convenient than a known third party, but I concede it's a bit less secure. However it's still far better than going with no third party. With the right precautions it's more or less secure (The time it would take to build a convincing forgery video would be suspicious in a dispute case)

tl;dr: It's an option. I'm not trying to replace Chribba or any other third party, I'm just offering another solution to the problem with different pros and cons. The biggest use I see for it is supercap builders who already have a staging POS in low sec set up, since all of the hardware is already in place.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-03-31 04:23:33 UTC
Sonoshee Boost wrote:

Understandable, which is why I suggest most people fraps the trade. It's a bit annoying but it's very difficult to forge. Obviously in cases where you strongly suspect a scam it's probably safer to go with an in-person third party, but for things like in-corp transfers or other trades with little risk, it's a nice layer of protection.


A layer of protection from one stranger who could easily walk away with the cash, offered by another stranger with a website. If someone trusts their corp less than a year-old account with an obvious-scam-is-obvious website and service, they're not likely to be trading anything of significant value.
Skye Aurorae
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-03-31 05:51:57 UTC
Well it looks legit so far, I can see a couple of uses.

Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21 - oh well.
Irisa Selenia
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-03-31 06:01:11 UTC
A 3rd party has to have eyes on the trade to ensure that the buyer does not scam, and any trade that does not need a 3rd party can be done safely in game now.

Your service is useless.
Sonoshee Boost
EVE Transfer
#18 - 2012-03-31 06:29:25 UTC
Irisa Selenia wrote:
A 3rd party has to have eyes on the trade to ensure that the buyer does not scam, and any trade that does not need a 3rd party can be done safely in game now.

Your service is useless.


If anything my system heavily favors the seller.

If the seller records video of the transfer (As the site suggests), it's very easy to deal with a dispute simply by watching the video. If the buyer tries to claim he didn't get the item, the seller has evidence to the contrary.

Both parties have to click a button confirming the transaction went smoothly before a payout is made.
Serene Python
#19 - 2012-03-31 06:41:55 UTC
From what this sounds like... How does this differentiate from a item exchange contract where item X is put up for Y amount of ISK? If this is supposed to alleviate scam contracts where you buy carbon instead of a charon, chances are those who fall for those contracts will never see this/use this website.

If I'm incorrect in my presumptions by apologies, please feel free to explain what exactly you are trying to accomplish.
Sonoshee Boost
EVE Transfer
#20 - 2012-03-31 06:44:15 UTC
This site is designed to handle items which can't be sold via contracts.

You can use it for contractable items if you really wanted, but I don't see a reason to since in-game contracts work quite well.
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