EVE General Discussion

That won't fix anything. If people stop mining, the market will shift to reflect this. Bots will then pick up the slack and now we are back to were we actually are now. The only people who aren't bots that mine don't do it for money, they do it to relax or watch a movie.

If you want to make a difference get involved with the CSM, go to Fanfest, go to gaming conventions, and bring your concerns directly to CCP.

Yep, you also have to realize that banning all these bots will make everything more expensive in game. Also CCP realizes that no one in their right mind would mine as a primary profession for more than a few weeks unless it is an alt character that they mostly afk mine with or its botted.

Yeah, so at some point miner = botter = good to gank

Make mining and miners look like ****, make them eat dust, gank them, bully them.

Then rejoice as CCP announce the long awaited mining overhaul.

It's an attrition war, but as long as people "just do it", it gonna work, and it already started.

Oh no no, I am not defending botting at all... I hate bots. I am just saying CCP does have its reasons that they are hesitant to ban bots. And also some very powerful eve alliances use bots to fuel their nullsec functions (I will not name names, but I am relatively sure that if you have heard of them, they use bots or at least knowingly tolerate them.... and CCP is a little too friendly to many of these alliances)

Also you are correct, bots do make mining for the real miners that are bots far less profitable. If mining was as profitable as running missions I would mine as much as I run missions. Since its such a massive loss to mine I don't bother with it anymore.

No, it isn't. CCP has for a long time been noting that mineral prices are getting out of hand. More recently, it has come to their attention that the problem is "gunmining" or that more than half of the minerals in EVE come from shooting guns (drone compounds and tech 1 modules mostly) vs. less than half from mining. That means that the popularity of mining vs. mission-running are not significant factors in their payout.

Expect a fix soon(tm)...but I'm betting they do something about it as early as Inferno.

You sir are a idiot. THERE IS NO RISK RUNNING LEVEL 4s none at ALL you cant die in a level 4 mission, thier is more chance of geting your hulk ganked in a high sec belt than dieing in a level 4 mission. Thier is zero risk and you dont need those faction mods you just need to know what your doing.

Exactly, it's terribly misbalanced - under no circumstances should hisec PVE yield that much steady isk. That is why the mission bots run rampant.

So my total shakeup solution for EVE Online - the spaceships game is:

- move L4 missions to lowsec
- make all 0.5 systems 0.4 and increase the amount of gates from hi to low
- nerf module drops from missions
- nerf reprossing yield severely, like 50% (this not only makes mining more lucrative, but also forces null industrials to rethink their processes
- disable the possibility to anchor control towers in hisec
- revamp mission/anom/plex NPC AI, remove their damage type restrictions and make all spawns random and with huge variance
- multiply faction NPC numbers in hisec, add them to low as well and give them the ability to pod outlaws
- give NPCs cap and other normal player ship properties
- introduce ninja mining ships
- increase jump freighter fuel costs (a lot)
- buff black ops battleships

Then to counter mining bots:

- apply PI scanning interface to asteroids (visual scanning of hotspots)
- make the asteroid rotate, so that you need to adjust the mining point once in a while, or when the spot depletes

Thanks, but unfortunately those changes are way too big to through... but one can dream.

I personally think hisec in it's current state was a huge mistake, that is now a burden for development of the game. We have too many people who are stuck with the idea of separate "PVE" and "PVP", grasp on false ideas of "opting out" and "consensual". That line of thinking comes mostly from other games I guess, where different servers have different rules.

Another part of the problem is the stupid NPC AI and properties, which results in people fitting differently for shooting red crosses, and thus becoming weak against human opponents. Transition to lowsec would be much easier if you would fly a real combat ship in to NPCing as well.

We have only one server. There needs to be a starter zone where you can accommodate to the harsh universe, skill up and make contacts, but after that people should be encouraged to dive into the deep end.

That's right as IPs never change. Oh sorry they do that is why IP bans are useless. The only thing that could possibly work, and that's at a stretch, would be IP range bans which then becomes collective punishment which is a disgusting way to act. Even then there are proxies.

The majority of domestic customers have dynamic IPs, it's cheaper I can have a static IP if I want for an extra £5 a month. If I was banned by IP I just turn of my router wait 15 minutes turn it back on a hey presto new IP. Even if I don't turn of the router my ISP reesets it every couple of weeks automatically.

Even with a "static" IP all I would have to do is pay my provider for a new one. Then whoever gets my old one is banned for doing nothing. Now how would you feel if that person was you?

Can you just see the threads of people who can't log on because the IP they got was banned?

As to how there an be so many it's easy. Lazy cheating scum. They are the bane of every game with an economy, yes even Runescape has them and that is a basic entry level MMO.

Different things make different amounts of currency, it is just the way it is.

Somehow this must all be Chribba's fault.